Single chip non-verbal raise?
 

What is the rule for betting a single chip that is greater than the minimum bet, and not verbalizing the bet?

Situation:
Blinds are 2/4.
Folded to the CO who puts in a single t10 chip and doesn't say anything.

Is this a raise or is this a call.

gl,
Mike.

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No verbal decleration? Sounds like a raise to me.

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usually just a call. depends on your home rules I guess.

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usually just a call. depends on your home rules I guess.

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What about in a casino? Does this rule vary or is it a standard?

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Preflop it's a call. Postflop it's a raise.

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Where I play, if you put just one chip into the pot without saying anything then it's always just a call, regardless of the chip's denomination.

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Roberts Rules of Poker --

Section 3 -- Betting and Raising (Rule 15).

"15. If you put a single chip in the pot that is larger than the bet , but do not announce a raise , you are assumed to have only called. Example: In a $3-$6 game, when a player bets $6 and the next player puts a $25 chip in the pot without saying anything, that player has merely called the $6 bet ."

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Roberts Rules of Poker --

Section 3 -- Betting and Raising (Rule 15).

"15. If you put a single chip in the pot that is larger than the bet , but do not announce a raise , you are assumed to have only called. Example: In a $3-$6 game, when a player bets $6 and the next player puts a $25 chip in the pot without saying anything, that player has merely called the $6 bet ."

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yep, I remember live at the bike had a hand like this and it was ruled a call. Guy put in a single chip much larger than the blind (NL game) and never said raise.

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It's a call.

It can get pretty bad. I was playing live and had AA preflop. It came to me, and I said "Y'all know how I roll." and threw in a large chip.

The dealer made change for me. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Apparently the way I roll is by revealing the strength of my hand without getting more bets into the pot, embarassing myself and losing money.
-Sam

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Roberts Rules of Poker --

Section 3 -- Betting and Raising (Rule 15).

"15. If you put a single chip in the pot that is larger than the bet , but do not announce a raise , you are assumed to have only called. Example: In a $3-$6 game, when a player bets $6 and the next player puts a $25 chip in the pot without saying anything, that player has merely called the $6 bet ."

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That's the limit rule. The rule is different in No-Limit:

Chapter 14:

11. A bet of a single chip or bill without comment is considered to be the full amount of the chip or bill allowed. However, a player acting on a previous bet with a larger denomination chip or bill is calling the previous bet unless this player makes a verbal declaration to raise the pot. (This includes acting on the forced bet of the big blind .)

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Roberts Rules of Poker --

Section 3 -- Betting and Raising (Rule 15).

"15. If you put a single chip in the pot that is larger than the bet , but do not announce a raise , you are assumed to have only called. Example: In a $3-$6 game, when a player bets $6 and the next player puts a $25 chip in the pot without saying anything, that player has merely called the $6 bet ."

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That's the limit rule. The rule is different in No-Limit:

Chapter 14:

11. A bet of a single chip or bill without comment is considered to be the full amount of the chip or bill allowed. However, a player acting on a previous bet with a larger denomination chip or bill is calling the previous bet unless this player makes a verbal declaration to raise the pot. (This includes acting on the forced bet of the big blind .)

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They are both right. If there is a better and you throw a large chip without saying anything it is a Call. If there is no action to you and toy throw in a large chip the bet is the denomination of the large chip. It is called the single chip rule.

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They are both right. If there is a better and you throw a large chip without saying anything it is a Call. If there is no action to you and toy throw in a large chip the bet is the denomination of the large chip. It is called the single chip rule.

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Of course, they're both right. They are two separate rules from the same rule book. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I was just trying to clear up a possible misconception. Your statement of the rule is correct.

The difference between the NL and Limit rules is what a single chip means when you are first to act. E.g., even if you are first to act on the flop, a $25 chip is a $6 bet in 3/6 limit poker. In NL, a $25 chip is a $25 bet if first to act. In both forms of poker, putting in a $25 chip in response to a $6 bet is merely a call.

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They are both right. If there is a better and you throw a large chip without saying anything it is a Call. If there is no action to you and toy throw in a large chip the bet is the denomination of the large chip. It is called the single chip rule.

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Of course, they're both right. They are two separate rules from the same rule book. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I was just trying to clear up a possible misconception. Your statement of the rule is correct.

The difference between the NL and Limit rules is what a single chip means when you are first to act. E.g., even if you are first to act on the flop, a $25 chip is a $6 bet in 3/6 limit poker. In NL, a $25 chip is a $25 bet if first to act. In both forms of poker, putting in a $25 chip in response to a $6 bet is merely a call.

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But you said rule 15 was for limit but it is the same for both. Read rule 15 again.

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But you are right in your last response.

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In NL, a $25 chip is a $25 bet if first to act on the flop,not preflop .

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Preflop it's a call. Postflop it's a raise.

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I thought the single chip rule applied post-flop as well.
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Preflop it's a call. Postflop it's a raise.

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I thought the single chip rule applied post-flop as well.
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It does. If there are no betters the bet is the denomonation of the chip. If there is a bet then it is a call.

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It's a call.

It can get pretty bad. I was playing live and had AA preflop. It came to me, and I said "Y'all know how I roll." and threw in a large chip.

The dealer made change for me. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Apparently the way I roll is by revealing the strength of my hand without getting more bets into the pot, embarassing myself and losing money.
-Sam

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LMAO, very nice.

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What is the rule for betting a single chip that is greater than the minimum bet, and not verbalizing the bet?

Situation:
Blinds are 2/4.
Folded to the CO who puts in a single t10 chip and doesn't say anything.

Is this a raise or is this a call.

gl,
Mike.

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this is a call.

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But you said rule 15 was for limit but it is the same for both. Read rule 15 again.

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The rules aren't the same for the first person to act in a round. In limit poker, you are required to bet, e.g., $6. You can't bet more, you can't bet less. A single $25 chip is a $6 bet. In NL poker, a single $25 chip is a $25 bet if you are first to act on the flop/turn/river.

The rules ARE the same if the bettor isn't first to act. E.g, if the current bet is $6, a single $25 chip is a call in both NL and limit.

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Since the action is to him, its a bet. In limit its a $4 bet and in NL its a $10 bet.

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Since the action is to him, its a bet. In limit its a $4 bet and in NL its a $10 bet.

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Amazing how many of you are getting this completely wrong. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

In either limit or no limit, it is a call.

A single oversized chip is a CALL or a BET (if no action in front of, including posted blinds), but never a RAISE. Never ever a RAISE.

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Succinctly put and completely correct. The thread can be locked now [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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But you said rule 15 was for limit but it is the same for both. Read rule 15 again.

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The rules aren't the same for the first person to act in a round. In limit poker, you are required to bet, e.g., $6. You can't bet more, you can't bet less. A single $25 chip is a $6 bet. In NL poker, a single $25 chip is a $25 bet if you are first to act on the flop/turn/river.

The rules ARE the same if the bettor isn't first to act. E.g, if the current bet is $6, a single $25 chip is a call in both NL and limit.

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That is what rule 15 states.
If you put a single chip in the pot that is larger than the <font color="red"> BET </font> , but do not announce a raise , you are assumed to have only called. Example: In a $3-$6 game, when a player bets $6 and the next player puts a $25 chip in the pot without saying anything, that player has merely called the $6 bet ."

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Gus i am not saying you are wrong about the single chip rule. What i said earlier was that you were wrong to say rule 15 was only for limit when it is not.

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It's a call.

It can get pretty bad. I was playing live and had AA preflop. It came to me, and I said "Y'all know how I roll." and threw in a large chip.

The dealer made change for me. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Apparently the way I roll is by revealing the strength of my hand without getting more bets into the pot, embarassing myself and losing money.
-Sam

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Did you say, "Oh, I wanted to raise" or anything like that?

Was this in Tunica?

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From Roberts Rules of Poker:

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Section 3 -- Betting and Raising (Rule 15).

"15. If you put a single chip in the pot that is larger than the bet , but do not announce a raise , you are assumed to have only called.

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That's the limit rule. The rule is different in No-Limit:


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Chapter 14:

11. A bet of a single chip or bill without comment is considered to be the full amount of the chip or bill allowed. However, a player acting on a previous bet with a larger denomination chip or bill is calling the previous bet unless this player makes a verbal declaration to raise the pot. (This includes acting on the forced bet of the big blind .)

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How are these two rules different? They are saying the same thing, limit or no-limit. The only difference is that the no-limit section talks about determining the size of the bet when no verbal declaration is made.

Regards,

T

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Gus i am not saying you are wrong about the single chip rule. What i said earlier was that you were wrong to say rule 15 was only for limit when it is not.

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I disagree. If the rule was the same for NL, there wouldn't be a separate rule for no-limit (see rule 11 on the linked to page).

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From Roberts Rules of Poker:

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Section 3 -- Betting and Raising (Rule 15).

"15. If you put a single chip in the pot that is larger than the bet , but do not announce a raise , you are assumed to have only called.

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That's the limit rule. The rule is different in No-Limit:


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Chapter 14:

11. A bet of a single chip or bill without comment is considered to be the full amount of the chip or bill allowed. However, a player acting on a previous bet with a larger denomination chip or bill is calling the previous bet unless this player makes a verbal declaration to raise the pot. (This includes acting on the forced bet of the big blind .)

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How are these two rules different? They are saying the same thing, limit or no-limit. The only difference is that the no-limit section talks about determining the size of the bet when no verbal declaration is made.

Regards,

T

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It's a nitpicky difference that isn't applicable to what the original poster asked. The rules for limit and NL are the same with respect to calls. They are different with respect to bets.

E.g., 1/2 limit. After the flop, the first person to act puts in a $5 chip. That's a $1 bet.

In 1/2 no-limit, after the flop, the first person to act puts in a $5 chip. That's a $5 bet.

In both cases, if there is already a bet, the $5 chip is merely a call.

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It can get pretty bad. I was playing live and had AA preflop. It came to me, and I said "Y'all know how I roll." and threw in a large chip.

The dealer made change for me. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Apparently the way I roll is by revealing the strength of my hand without getting more bets into the pot, embarassing myself and losing money.

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This is hilarious.

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My bad - I misread the OP. I was thinking it was the first action after the flop. Since there is action before (posted blinds) its a call of the big blind.