AA on a tough board
 

How's my line on each street? I think I just wimped out when the limper was the one that bet out. I thought I might raise the turn if I backdoored a flush draw but when the blank came I froze up.

MP1 is a TAG with 20/10/4, not really any read on MP1 except I'd seen him play a couple pretty passively. He was 44/3/1.6 over 30 hands.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $5.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (11.40 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.20 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

River: (9.20 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.20 BB


Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG+2 has 9d Kh (two pair, kings and jacks).
Hero has Ac Ah (two pair, aces and jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 11.20 BB. </font>

Re: AA on a tough board
 

how often do you think someone leads a J here? I think you can afford to raise somewhere.

Re: AA on a tough board
 

If I'm fairly sure he won't lead a jack, I'd raise the turn. If I'm not sure, I'd raise the flop. Either way most of the time I'm seeing a showdown. I'm also raising. You see what I'm getting at, yes?

Re: AA on a tough board
 

Raise the turn. He has a J here like never, and a K, or [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]'s like always.

Re: AA on a tough board
 

Raise the turn here. You can fold to a 3-bet and you'll pick up an extra bet from Kx or a flush draw.

Re: AA on a tough board
 

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Raise the turn here. You can fold to a 3-bet and you'll pick up an extra bet from Kx or a flush draw.

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I can't see folding to a 3-bet without a good read.

Re: AA on a tough board
 

i'm raising the turn, I just can't see a jack leading into you, this looks more like a draw or a king

Re: AA on a tough board
 

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I can't see folding to a 3-bet without a good read.

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I think you're underestimating how often Jx bets out on this flop. Risking a free card with a flush draw and lots of straight draws isn't a good move.

If you can't fold to a 3-bet, then I think playing it the way villian did (standard WA/WB) is fine.

Re: AA on a tough board
 

I would raise and reraise the flop, then go into call down mode if UTG continues his aggression. The way you played it, it is hard to get any information from him.

Re: AA on a tough board
 

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Risking a free card with a flush draw and lots of straight draws isn't a good move.

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free card? how many preflop 3bettors check this flop? VERY FEW hands.

also, you underestimate how much people like to slowplay.

Re: AA on a tough board
 

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free card? how many preflop 3bettors check this flop? VERY FEW hands.

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Yeah, my hand reading skills suck. Didn't notice it was 3-bet PF.

I still think a 3-bet on the turn means hero's drawing to 2 outs nearly all the time.

And I stil think Jx bets out a lot here. Maybe villian is someone like me who didn't notice it was 3-bet PF...

Re: AA on a tough board
 

Raise the turn - you're heads up after MP1's fold, in position, and have outs no matter what your opponent is holding. After raising the turn, I'm calling a 3-bet unless I have specific read that this guy would fastplay trip jacks or better. I forget the guy's name (maybe Prock?) who discussed it at some length, but I think this is a good spot to utilize the limit hold'em play known as "The Wall," where after raising the turn you will continue to bet when checked to, and call when raised or bet into. Aces up is too goot to fold in this spot.

Also, plz don't post results with the hand, if you must post them, wait for the discussion about the hand to be substantially finished first. I haven't read the results yet, but for many they color the dicsussion in an unproductive manner.

Re: AA on a tough board
 

Thanks for all the replies. I knew I should have raised somewhere, but I wasn't sure where. I'm feeling like the turn would have been right.

Re: AA on a tough board
 

RAISE THE FLOP

Re: AA on a tough board
 

raise the river.

Re: AA on a tough board
 

I think I'd raise every street.

Re: AA on a tough board
 

I'd raise the flop.

I put UTG on a King. If he had a Jack, I'd expect him to checkraise you on the flop or call your expected bet because you were the pf raiser, and checkraise you on the turn.

Re: AA on a tough board
 

Raise raise raise... You are probably ahead and need to defend your hand. Its pretty standard to lead most flops of these types regardless of cards.

Re: AA on a tough board
 

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raise the river.

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So you would slowplay this to the river? No wonder you think Party is rigged.