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10-30-2005 07:33 AM

Hand reading excersise
 
Thought this might be fun for a change. The first one to get all three hands right will be known as a great poker player. Assume a standard non-idiot player in all hands. Suits are not important and only one answer per hand please.

This should be the easiest one.

Prima 0.25/0.50 Hold 'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, <font color="red">UTG+2 raises</font>, 6 folds, <font color="red">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="red">UTG+2 caps </font>

Flop: (9.5 SB) K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 calls

Turn: (5.5 BB) 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 calls

River: (7.5 BB) 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 calls

Final pot: 9.5 BB

A bit trickier perhaps.

PokerStars 0.10/0.20 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (13.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 21.50 BB

In this hand there are several possible hands, but there is one factor (I think) that should lead to the correct answer.

PokerStars 0.10/0.20 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

River: (9 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

Stealthy 10-30-2005 08:15 AM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
OK I'll bite

Hand 1 - QQ

Hand 2 - Qh Th

Hand 3 played funny but I'll stab at 66

10-30-2005 08:24 AM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
Hand 1: 7d5h
Hand 2: AhJc
Hand 3: 2h6h

PJM1206 10-30-2005 08:31 AM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
Hand 1: QQ
Hand 2: JT hearts
Hand 3: Axs (hearts)

10-30-2005 08:32 AM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
[ QUOTE ]
OK I'll bite

Hand 1 - QQ

Hand 2 - Qh Th

Hand 3 played funny but I'll stab at 66

[/ QUOTE ]

Not bad. 2 out of 3. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

10-30-2005 08:34 AM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
what about me? how many did i get right?

Watain 10-30-2005 08:37 AM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
a: QQ
b: A9s (hearts)
c: 22

10-30-2005 08:55 AM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
Hand 1: QQ. Don't see any other hand he's capping with and then just calling down with a K high flop.

Hand 2: Difficult, but since he's so aggressive at the flop and even when a heart flush is possible, I'm guessing J9 of hearts.

Hand 3: I'm thinking he either hits something on the turn, or he has a monster and doesn't want to knock people out (A checkraise on the flop or the turn would be perfect for protecting). However, with two clubs on the flop, I'm not really sure why someone would want to slowplay a set. So I'm leaning towards him hitting on the turn, not wanting to risk it getting checked around and fearing both a club and a heart flush. I think 66 or 6x, if I have to choose one, I go for 66.

10-30-2005 09:07 AM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
Hand 1: QQ
Hand 2: J9s
Hand 3: QJ or T6

@bsolute_luck 10-30-2005 09:13 AM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
1. QQ
2. non-idiot i hope wouldn't limp J9 but that sounds right as well as a set of 77s. if i have to do with "non-idiot" then 77. idiot factor: J9.
3. 66

Aaron_ 10-30-2005 09:49 AM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
QQ, 77, 66

PJM1206 10-30-2005 09:58 AM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
One more try

Hand 1: QQ
Hand 2: JT hearts
Hand 3: 66

BatsShadow 10-30-2005 10:05 AM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
QQ, AT, T6.

BatsShadow 10-30-2005 10:08 AM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
I think you got it. We know that QQ is right, and somebody guessed QQ, JT, 66 and got 2 out of 3. I don't know why nobody thought of the 77.

Edit: I still don't like the 66 from a reasonable player.

10-30-2005 10:13 AM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
[ QUOTE ]
1. QQ
2. non-idiot i hope wouldn't limp J9 but that sounds right as well as a set of 77s. if i have to do with "non-idiot" then 77. idiot factor: J9.
3. 66

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This is correct. QQ, J9o, 66. I meant non-idiot as in he will not raise/reraise with nothing, but limping J9o isn't to smart either.

Congratulations. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

10-30-2005 10:14 AM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
[ QUOTE ]
what about me? how many did i get right?

[/ QUOTE ]

0 [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

10-30-2005 10:22 AM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
[ QUOTE ]
Hand 1: QQ. Don't see any other hand he's capping with and then just calling down with a K high flop.

Hand 2: Difficult, but since he's so aggressive at the flop and even when a heart flush is possible, I'm guessing J9 of hearts.

Hand 3: I'm thinking he either hits something on the turn, or he has a monster and doesn't want to knock people out (A checkraise on the flop or the turn would be perfect for protecting). However, with two clubs on the flop, I'm not really sure why someone would want to slowplay a set. So I'm leaning towards him hitting on the turn, not wanting to risk it getting checked around and fearing both a club and a heart flush. I think 66 or 6x, if I have to choose one, I go for 66.

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Oops, missed this one [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]. Very good work. Obviously the suits in hand 2 doesn't matter much here. Great reasoning on hand 3.

J. Stew 10-30-2005 11:45 AM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
1. KQ
2. 77
3. K6

2+2 wannabe 10-30-2005 12:49 PM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
grunching:

1: QQ/JJ
2: 77/A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]x[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], but almost certainly 77
3: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or something similar (why did you not raise pf?)

POKhER 10-30-2005 01:46 PM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
*Grunch*
In order of liklyness

I've asumed there pretty loose and passive..

1, QQ/JJ/AKs(weak/fearing KK)
2, 77/flopped straight(J9 Etc)/TT(Very unlikly)
3, T6(very loose!)/66(Chaser)/K6(raised flop no?)

Only want to mention 3possibles as theres loads to mention.. but kind of ruins the point of "Hand reading" turns into "Shot in the dark".

Rev. Good Will 10-30-2005 02:07 PM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
1 - QQ/JJ, probably QQ

2 - Ax[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], JT/QT/QJ/maybe KT [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] all look possible here, as does 77

3 - no idea, if villian is a "standard non-idiot", then the only hand where the 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] could have helped him is 66, or an over-aggressively played Ax [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Blunderfull1 10-30-2005 02:35 PM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
First one is Queens.

Second hand is A9 of hearts.

Third hand is T6.

Stealthy 10-30-2005 03:56 PM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
Nice post to have made by the way. It is good to have hand reading exercises to do. It is something that is not done enough by decent but inexperienced players at the table, but is vital in saving or winning those extra bets.

10-30-2005 04:28 PM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
[ QUOTE ]
Nice post to have made by the way. It is good to have hand reading exercises to do. It is something that is not done enough by decent but inexperienced players at the table, but is vital in saving or winning those extra bets.

[/ QUOTE ]

The reason that I posted these hands was to make a point on how easy it is to play a hand when you know which cards your opponent is holding. This is especially important to newbies like me to constantly think about your opponents hand as much as your own.

10-30-2005 05:20 PM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
hand 1: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
hand 2: 77 (close second: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], and third TT)
hand 3: T6s ([img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img])

10-30-2005 06:05 PM

Re: Hand reading excersise
 
Hand 1: He's got "2nd pair", meaning TT, JJ, or QQ.

There is no way to know which of the three he has so I'll just say....QQ.

Hand 2: Somehow I don't think he has the flush. This is .1/.2, so I'll say he's a TPTK nut, and holds AT.

Hand 3: Hmmm, I'll say ThXh. Strange flop check then lead out on the turn... makes me think he has 2nd pair on the flop maybe and then bet out on the turn with his added flush draw?


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