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elmo 10-29-2005 02:46 AM

140k hand checkup
 
Party 30/60, 7-10 handed
Hands: 142,722
VPIP: 17.38
VPIPSB: 30.79
FoldSB: 75.36
Fold BB: 55.71
Attempted to Steal: 39.60
WWSF: 42.92
Showdown %: 42.04
Won at SD: 50.46
Preflop Raise: 12.01
Flop aggression: 2.27
Turn Aggression: 2.11
River Aggression 1.46

I feel like I must be fundamantally doing something terribly in terms of going to showdown. Does anyone who has been successful have stats that look like this? Any thoughts or comments on my numbers would be appreciated.

mc1023 10-29-2005 06:12 AM

Re: 140k hand checkup
 
guess ill leave you a response since no one else is.

its really hard to tell anything about what you could be doing wrong just by these stats alone.

I'm guessing your postflop is on the loose side and your going to showdown too much.

also your stealing a tad too much IMO.

DcifrThs 10-29-2005 10:34 AM

Re: 140k hand checkup
 
wtf are you talking about....those showdown stats are awesome.

you go to the sd 42% of the time and STILL WIN (albeit barely) over 50% of the time.

-Barron

ghostface 10-29-2005 02:42 PM

Re: 140k hand checkup
 
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guess ill leave you a response since no one else is.

its really hard to tell anything about what you could be doing wrong just by these stats alone.

I'm guessing your postflop is on the loose side and your going to showdown too much.

also your stealing a tad too much IMO.

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Umm, pretty sure hes a winner so idk about doing things wrong. After 140k at 30/60 you are broke if you are a losing player.

bicyclekick 10-29-2005 03:46 PM

Re: 140k hand checkup
 
huh. i posted a response last night but it appears to mnothave gone through. i'm drunk now wso bear with me.

Your sd stast are fine. I was similar to yours for a bit a coupe of month s ago but have stihgtened up since. I was winning plenty then so i wouldn't wory about it..I'm a 39/54 lifetime...but I thnikyou're doing fine.

you're plkayin more full tabel i'd probably fold a little more than you do i dunno.

Justin A 10-29-2005 05:23 PM

Re: 140k hand checkup
 
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guess ill leave you a response since no one else is.

its really hard to tell anything about what you could be doing wrong just by these stats alone.

I'm guessing your postflop is on the loose side and your going to showdown too much.

also your stealing a tad too much IMO.

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Umm, pretty sure hes a winner so idk about doing things wrong. After 140k at 30/60 you are broke if you are a losing player.

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The previous post said nothing about him being a loser.

TStoneMBD 10-29-2005 05:28 PM

Re: 140k hand checkup
 
your wsd/w$sd shocks the hell out of me for full ring, but they arent bad they are very impressive. i think if you went to showdown a little less, like 40% your w$sd would go up a point or two and you would make more money. 42/50 though shows that you must be making some good money, but 40/52 would probably be better.

Nigel 10-29-2005 05:37 PM

Re: 140k hand checkup
 
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your wsd/w$sd shocks the hell out of me for full ring, but they arent bad they are very impressive. i think if you went to showdown a little less, like 40% your w$sd would go up a point or two and you would make more money. 42/50 though shows that you must be making some good money, but 40/52 would probably be better.

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50% of 42 = 21
52% of 40 = 20.8

He's winning more hands at 42/50, no?

MCS 10-29-2005 05:47 PM

Re: 140k hand checkup
 
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your wsd/w$sd shocks the hell out of me for full ring, but they arent bad they are very impressive. i think if you went to showdown a little less, like 40% your w$sd would go up a point or two and you would make more money. 42/50 though shows that you must be making some good money, but 40/52 would probably be better.

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50% of 42 = 21
52% of 40 = 20.8

He's winning more hands at 42/50, no?

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Yes, but since he's seeing the showdown more often, he's paying more money on some of the hands he loses at 42/50 that he'd be folding if he were 40/52.

Nigel 10-29-2005 05:55 PM

Re: 140k hand checkup
 
Ok, I'm stupid. The other way is probably better.

mc1023 10-29-2005 05:56 PM

Re: 140k hand checkup
 
42/50 SD stats looks really solid for SH but for ring game I'm a little skeptical that the OP can be be a big winner 7-10 handed with a leak like that unless he had many good runs.

It's not a huge leak but I would be interested in seeing how often OP goes to SD on steal attempts.

elmo 10-29-2005 05:57 PM

Re: 140k hand checkup
 
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your wsd/w$sd shocks the hell out of me for full ring, but they arent bad they are very impressive. i think if you went to showdown a little less, like 40% your w$sd would go up a point or two and you would make more money. 42/50 though shows that you must be making some good money, but 40/52 would probably be better

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I think that this is accurate. I think I am making a significant number of marginally bad flop calls that are forcing me into situations where I have to go to showdown. I have tried to address this several times, but I can never figure out which ones are barely right, and which are barely wrong. If someone would be willing to review some of my play, please let me know. I would try to do one of those video sessions, because I believe those are way better to analyze than sample hands in a vacuum.

elmo 10-29-2005 06:11 PM

Re: 140k hand checkup
 
I got to SD 33.17% of the time where I attempt to steal. Winning 47% of those hands.

When I defend the SB, I go to showdown 53.21% of the time, winning 45.64%. (.12) bb/hand overall

When I defend the BB, I go to showdown 46.07% of the time, and win 46.62% of those hands. (.27) bb/hand overall.

As a note, the aggression and blind defense number are only from my last 70k hands where I have been running poorly, I accidentally killed my PT database a few months ago. The VPIP-PR raise numbers include all 140,000 hands, but excel has to compute those for me using aweighted average. My blind numbers were significantly better in the first 70k hands. losing something like (.18) and <(.10) in the small and big blinds respectively.

In a related story, I feel like I have been playing terribly recently, in addition to not running well. I think I am actually losing value by going to showdown with people based on PT information. I am considering experimenting playing without it for a while. I play better poker then.

TStoneMBD 10-29-2005 06:28 PM

Re: 140k hand checkup
 
im building a site where anyone can upload and download videos entirely free of charge. ill let you know when its out by pm since you probably dont keep up with twoplustwo culture that much. id love to see you play.

elmo 10-29-2005 06:46 PM

Re: 140k hand checkup
 
Just FYI, we've played quite a bit together live at TS. AIM is the best way to get ahold of me: xela13alex. PM works too though, thanks

Nigel 10-29-2005 07:23 PM

Re: 140k hand checkup
 
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When I defend the BB, I go to showdown 46.07% of the time, and win 46.62% of those hands. (.27) bb/hand overall.

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Elmo, is that your overall BB WR or your BB WR when defending?

mc1023 10-29-2005 08:08 PM

Re: 140k hand checkup
 
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I got to SD 33.17% of the time where I attempt to steal. Winning 47% of those hands.

When I defend the SB, I go to showdown 53.21% of the time, winning 45.64%. (.12) bb/hand overall

When I defend the BB, I go to showdown 46.07% of the time, and win 46.62% of those hands. (.27) bb/hand overall.

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Your SD stats for steal attempts look pretty standard but your going to showdown way too often when defending blinds.

Which is strange since your not over-defending your blinds, well at least preflop your not.

Maybe if I were you I would start working on letting go some marginal situations when OOP from the blinds.

gl

elmo 10-30-2005 12:16 AM

Re: 140k hand checkup
 
Overall, unsure how to get the other number


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