Facing massive overbet by a maniac on party 5/10
Villain in this hand is Banzan, a huge LAG in party 5/10 SH games. This guy is the wildest player ive seen yet at those tables. The preceeding hand I c/red a raised pot on the flop Tc9c2x and took it down right there w/o showing the hand.
I make it $50 behind a limper w/ AcAd. Banzan is BB and calls, as does CO limper. The pot is $150 going to the flop. The effective stack is $1500. The flop is 5h 4d 2h. All check to me, I bet pot. Banzan immediately raises all in. CO folds. Its $1300 to me to call this huge overbet. |
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Yuck. Banzan appears to be a maniac but he/she is a very good one IMO. He doesn't chip spew here with midpair like some bad lags will. But I doubt he'd play a set or the straight this way. Tough one. He could have top 2, 66 or a big draw. Or he may think that he's trapping you with KK.
Could go either way with him since he'll call some crap hands like 4 5 and A 3 OOP. I've also seen Banz 3 bet his whole stack with 2nd pair putting me on a 'draw' when I had a QQ overpair (he rivered a 2outer but whatever). Given that history I call. |
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think this is a pretty good breakdown of his hand possibilities?
20% smaller overpair, big edge to you 40% big draw, 50/50 40% made hand, big edge to him offhand, I'd say a call is neutral EV given this split and the money already in the pot. Others can correct me if this distribution is wacked. metagame: fold if you want to cut down on variance, call if you don't want him picking on you. Or flip a coin. |
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i instah call here vs banzan lol
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I call, and hope he doesnt catch most of the time, and get pissed when he shows me bottom set.
I'd call, IMO. |
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Villain in this hand is Banzan, a huge LAG in party 5/10 SH games. This guy is the wildest player ive seen yet at those tables. [/ QUOTE ] call. |
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Or he may think that he's trapping you with KK. [/ QUOTE ] i call. if all else fails (he actually does have a set)turn an ace. |
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i own banzan, and heres why
you just instacall in hands like the following: oh yeah and tell me what you thnk of my play on that name (was my old Eurobet one) ***** Hand History for Game 2821425851 ***** $1000 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, October 03, 23:35:20 EDT 2005 Table Table 36758 (6 max) (Real Money) Seat 1 is the button Total number of players : 6 Seat 1: heyadeen ( $1699 ) Seat 3: watler ( $1536.08 ) Seat 4: LuckBox__ ( $1876 ) Seat 6: WillSmokeU5K ( $504 ) Seat 2: Banzan ( $990 ) Seat 5: wolfy8888 ( $1101 ) Banzan posts small blind [$5]. watler posts big blind [$10]. ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to heyadeen [ Ks Ah ] >You have options at Table 55742 (6 max) (No DP) Table!. LuckBox__ calls [$10]. wolfy8888 calls [$10]. WillSmokeU5K calls [$10]. heyadeen raises [$55]. Banzan calls [$50]. >You have options at Table 55707 (6 max) (No DP) Table!. >You have options at Table 55082 (6 max) (No DP) Table!. watler folds. LuckBox__ calls [$45]. wolfy8888 folds. >You have options at Table 55742 (6 max) (No DP) Table!. WillSmokeU5K calls [$45]. ** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, 4s, Kd ] Banzan checks. LuckBox__ checks. WillSmokeU5K checks. >You have options at Table 55707 (6 max) (No DP) Table!. heyadeen bets [$175]. Banzan calls [$175]. LuckBox__ folds. WillSmokeU5K folds. >You have options at Table 55742 (6 max) (No DP) Table!. ** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ] Banzan checks. >You have options at Table 55742 (6 max) (No DP) Table!. heyadeen bets [$275]. Banzan is all-In. heyadeen calls [$485]. >You have options at Table 55742 (6 max) (No DP) Table!. ** Dealing River ** [ Kh ] heyadeen shows [ Ks, Ah ] three of a kind, kings. Banzan doesn't show [ 9d, Jh ] two pairs, kings and jacks. heyadeen wins $2107 from the main pot with three of a kind, kings. |
Re: Facing massive overbet by a maniac on party 5/10
you were pot stuck how is that much of a call
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This is an instacall against banzan.
That guy is awesome for tables. |
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i would beat banzan into the pot.
bye. |
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He is. But I have a hard time against him for some reason. I can't adjust to his lag but can easily adjust against most.
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He is. But I have a hard time against him for some reason. I can't adjust to his lag but can easily adjust against most. [/ QUOTE ] Given his propensity to call or reraise away his stack, Banzan is the kind I just wait for premiums with and he doesn't notice and consistently pays me off. Buddyyyyylist. |
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[ QUOTE ] He is. But I have a hard time against him for some reason. I can't adjust to his lag but can easily adjust against most. [/ QUOTE ] Given his propensity to call or reraise away his stack, Banzan is the kind I just wait for premiums with and he doesn't notice and consistently pays me off. Buddyyyyylist. [/ QUOTE ]you sound pretty tough. |
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yeah, you're right, but would be the same thing if he had 1k more in his stack
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love your short replies =)
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Thanks to this post I am $1,500 richer. The following hand occured today, I had never played with Banzan (BB) before. Called solely based on the comments in this thread. Not much content here, just wanted to say thanks I guess.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font> MP ($339) CO ($604) <font color="#C00000">Hero ($1447.25)</font> SB ($1265) <font color="#C00000">BB ($1657.50)</font> UTG ($1199) Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $40</font>, Hero calls $40, SB (poster) calls $35, BB calls $30. Flop: ($160) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $50</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $200</font>, SB folds, BB calls $1617.50 (All-In), CO folds, Hero calls $1207.25 (All-In). Turn: ($3234.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> River: ($3234.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> Final Pot: $3234.75 Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> BB has Ad Jd (high card, ace). Hero has Qh Kc (one pair, kings). Outcome: Hero wins $3024.50. BB wins $210.25. </font> |
Re: Facing massive overbet by a maniac on party 5/10
that call is very marginal btw, even vs banzan.
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You do realize that this is not a maniacal play by him and he actually got his chips in as a favorite right? I mean you had odds to call obviously, but it's not exactly a coup to get all in with him on this hand.
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Yikes.
C/r all in over a better and a raiser is much different than c/r all in over a continuation bet. Way to win that coinflip. pokenum -h kc qh - ad jd -- td kd 5h Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Kd Td 5h cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Kc Qh 486 49.09 504 50.91 0 0.00 0.491 Ad Jd 504 50.91 486 49.09 0 0.00 0.509 |
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Thanks to this post I am $1,500 richer. The following hand occured today, I had never played with Banzan (BB) before. Called solely based on the comments in this thread. Not much content here, just wanted to say thanks I guess. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font> MP ($339) CO ($604) <font color="#C00000">Hero ($1447.25)</font> SB ($1265) <font color="#C00000">BB ($1657.50)</font> UTG ($1199) Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $40</font>, Hero calls $40, SB (poster) calls $35, BB calls $30. Flop: ($160) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $50</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $200</font>, SB folds, BB calls $1617.50 (All-In), CO folds, Hero calls $1207.25 (All-In). Turn: ($3234.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> River: ($3234.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font> Final Pot: $3234.75 Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> BB has Ad Jd (high card, ace). Hero has Qh Kc (one pair, kings). Outcome: Hero wins $3024.50. BB wins $210.25. </font> [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] that call is very marginal btw, even vs banzan. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You do realize that this is not a maniacal play by him and he actually got his chips in as a favorite right? I mean you had odds to call obviously, but it's not exactly a coup to get all in with him on this hand. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Yikes. C/r all in over a better and a raiser is much different than c/r all in over a continuation bet. Way to win that coinflip. [/ QUOTE ] http://www.diskuspublishing.com/backfire.jpg |
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that call is very bad btw, even vs banzan. [/ QUOTE ] FYP |
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Banzan may be aggressive but hes not stupid. I would fold this. Even if you are favourite its not big edge and if you are behind you are dead. I think Banzan knows that its difficult to push sb around on 2tone boards.
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if I were the one betting would you instacall? i dont think it would have mattered
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I think you're considering the problem the way it needs to be looked at.
[ QUOTE ] 20% smaller overpair, big edge to you 40% big draw, 50/50 40% made hand, big edge to him [/ QUOTE ] I think this is too pessimistic. The all-in dude has been described as someone who will go all-in with any excuse. So possibilities that come to mind are: a)Made hand that has you crushed (e.g. set; about 4 to 1) b)Made hand that's a favorite (e.g.. 2 pair; about 3 to 2) c)Made hand you have beat (e.g. top pair; about 1 to 2) d)Nothing (e.g. 2 overcards with no draw; about 1 to 4) e)Big draw, coin flip I really doubt a) and b) would come up to 40%. Given that he will go in with any excuse, I'd think 20% would be closer. My guess is you'd be a decent favorite, maybe 3 to 2, by the time you put it all together. When you add in the dead money already in the pot, it makes it an easy call. |
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