\"All-in\"...then walk away from the table?!?
 

I've been noticing this "move" alot on the televised tournaments. Player A goes all-in then disappears from sight! WTF?

I'd like to see a rule saying you must remain in your seat until action is complete on the round (ie, all-in gets called). This "going all-in, then running to hide in the crowd" junk is so bad for poker, IMO.

Does anyone else despise this chicken-bleep play?
Has anyone seen this during their own tournament play?

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This "going all-in, then running to hide in the crowd" junk is so bad for poker, IMO.


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It seems that no matter what is shown on TV, somebody will think it's bad for poker.

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I've been noticing this "move" alot on the televised tournaments. Player A goes all-in then disappears from sight! WTF?

I'd like to see a rule saying you must remain in your seat until action is complete on the round (ie, all-in gets called). This "going all-in, then running to hide in the crowd" junk is so bad for poker, IMO.

Does anyone else despise this chicken-bleep play?
Has anyone seen this during their own tournament play?

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why do you care?

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brenes does this. it was funny when he pushed and negreanu ran after him, humberto's face was priceless.

a guy in the foxwoods 5/5 NL cash game used to get up and walk around the other tables after he would move in and i always thought it was strange that nobody ever said anything to him. he was a strange guy, very aloof.

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This "going all-in, then running to hide in the crowd" junk is so bad for poker, IMO.


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It seems that no matter what is shown on TV, somebody will think it's bad for poker.

[/ QUOTE ]Ok, forget the "bad for poker" comment. What do you think about a player going all-in then leaving the table? Obviously to hide and prevent giving off tells.

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This "going all-in, then running to hide in the crowd" junk is so bad for poker, IMO.


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It seems that no matter what is shown on TV, somebody will think it's bad for poker.

[/ QUOTE ]Ok, forget the "bad for poker" comment. What do you think about a player going all-in then leaving the table? Obviously to hide and prevent giving off tells.

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No, that is not obvious. A very obvious alternative explanation is that they're just releasing stress.

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I've been noticing this "move" alot on the televised tournaments. Player A goes all-in then disappears from sight! WTF?

I'd like to see a rule saying you must remain in your seat until action is complete on the round (ie, all-in gets called). This "going all-in, then running to hide in the crowd" junk is so bad for poker, IMO.

Does anyone else despise this chicken-bleep play?
Has anyone seen this during their own tournament play?

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why do you care?

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Why do you care that I appear to care?

OK, I'll answer your question-instead-of-an-answer. If you follow the trend...sunglasses, hats, hoods, leaving the table...(follow the progression and insert guess here).

...at some point the poker table will look like a Halloween party with Chewbacca and Ronald Reagan masks the norm with players going all-in from the bathroom using their cell phones.

No one is tell-proof. Even some of the top pros "hide" at the table (Hellmuth, Ferguson, etc).

Just sit there and put on your best poker face. Walking away is the ultimate chickenbleep move, IMO.

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This "going all-in, then running to hide in the crowd" junk is so bad for poker, IMO.


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It seems that no matter what is shown on TV, somebody will think it's bad for poker.

[/ QUOTE ]Ok, forget the "bad for poker" comment. What do you think about a player going all-in then leaving the table? Obviously to hide and prevent giving off tells.

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No, that is not obvious. A very obvious alternative explanation is that they're just releasing stress.

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I see you avoided answering my question for the second time.

BTW, I think you have a bad read on the "releasing stress". If that's the case, why not walk away from the table after their pocket 3s hold up? Better yet, why even watch the Flop, Turn, and River after your all-in bet is called? What could be more stressful than that?

I re-raise...

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Oh, you mean before their opponent(s) decide whether or not to call the all-in.

From your OP I thought you meant when the cards are turned over and people walk away or turn around or whatever. I think Dynasty assumed the same.

Didn't Kevin McBride go all-in and then run to the bathroom heads up with Scotty Nguyen at the final table of the 1998 WSOP. Yea, that was a dumb move.

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...at some point the poker table will look like a Halloween party with Chewbacca and Ronald Reagan masks the norm with players going all-in from the bathroom using their cell phones.

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I see you avoided answering my question for the second time.

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If the question is what do I think of people getting up and walking away, I think it's no big deal and nothing needs to be done about it. Let people play their hands the way they want to and don't tie their hands with restrictive rules.

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BTW, I think you have a bad read on the "releasing stress". If that's the case, why not walk away from the table after their pocket 3s hold up? Better yet, why even watch the Flop, Turn, and River after your all-in bet is called? What could be more stressful than that?


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We've seen several examples of people walking away from the table after a hand and not watching the flop, turn, and river cards being dealt.

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Just sit there and put on your best poker face. Walking away is the ultimate chickenbleep move, IMO.

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Or it could be the ultimate tell.

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I don't mind when people move all in and stand up.

Walking away from the table to talk to the crowd is somewhat annoying, but it's not that big of a deal.

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Walking away from the table to talk to the crowd is somewhat annoying, but it's not that big of a deal.

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It's probably very annoying to a player who's poker game revolves around physical tells.

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Walking away is the ultimate chickenbleep move, IMO.

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In other words, let's try to respect poker for the game it truly is: as one big penis-size content?

I think you might prefer watching arm wrestling instead. Or perhaps the WWE or something. Then again I think they wear masks there, which is kind of chickenbleep.

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Walking away from the table to talk to the crowd is somewhat annoying, but it's not that big of a deal.

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It's probably very annoying to a player who's poker game revolves around physical tells.

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I hope nobodys game revolves around tells..but couldn't getting up from the table be cosidered a tell?

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Great video: The 1998 WSOP ME was heads up between Scotty Nguyen and Kevin McBride. McBride was a newb who won a seat in a satellite. McBride pushes all in. Scotty is staring at the table and McBride stands up, walks over to the Tournament Director, and says he has to go to the bathroom. The TD obviously has never heard of such a thing, but finally says OK. Scotty misses this, looks up at McBride's empty seat, looks around, no McBride. Scotty says, "Where he go? WHERE HE GO??"

Scotty sits there steaming, and McBride strolls back in through the crowd, saying, "What happened? Did you call, Scotty?" Scotty calls and loses, and continues to steam.

Classic last hand: Scotty has the big stack, and both players have a lot of chips in the pot, and the board is 99888. Scotty pushes all in. He stands up with a beer in one hand and a cigarette in the other (the olden days) and says, "You call, gonna be all over, baby." That makes up McBride's mind, and he calls and says he plays the board. Scotty shows a 9, and it's all over, baby.

As to the question, my thought is that leaving the table is poor etiquette. But then I also think that it is poor etiquette to jump up and down, scream, yell at the dealer to give or not give a certain card, high-five 47 different people when you hit the river, bitch about donkeys drawing out on you, etc., etc. I'd like to see a rule that you can stand but stay at the table, but that's not likely in an age of declining etiquette and civility.

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but that's not likely in an age of declining etiquette and civility.

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Decline of etiquettes and civility but increasing prize pools - which would u choose? I think it's a great trade off. heh heh

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Great video: The 1998 WSOP ME was heads up between Scotty Nguyen and Kevin McBride. McBride was a newb who won a seat in a satellite. McBride pushes all in. Scotty is staring at the table and McBride stands up, walks over to the Tournament Director, and says he has to go to the bathroom. The TD obviously has never heard of such a thing, but finally says OK. Scotty misses this, looks up at McBride's empty seat, looks around, no McBride. Scotty says, "Where he go? WHERE HE GO??"

Scotty sits there steaming, and McBride strolls back in through the crowd, saying, "What happened? Did you call, Scotty?" Scotty calls and loses, and continues to steam.

Classic last hand: Scotty has the big stack, and both players have a lot of chips in the pot, and the board is 99888. Scotty pushes all in. He stands up with a beer in one hand and a cigarette in the other (the olden days) and says, "You call, gonna be all over, baby." That makes up McBride's mind, and he calls and says he plays the board. Scotty shows a 9, and it's all over, baby.


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this is so funny, i loved watching it. "where he go?"

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I hope nobodys game revolves around tells..but couldn't getting up from the table be cosidered a tell?

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Obviously the whole game doesn't revolve around tells, but for lots of players it is a huge chunk of it. Jen Harmon for example says she uses tells much more than odds and such.

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As to the question, my thought is that leaving the table is poor etiquette. But then I also think that it is poor etiquette to jump up and down, scream, yell at the dealer to give or not give a certain card, high-five 47 different people when you hit the river, bitch about donkeys drawing out on you, etc., etc.

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Good point, there are more important etiquette issues out there.

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then she's lying. you can't implement tells properly all the time without odds. I recall Sklansky saying something similar to Negraneau, who made a similar claim as you said Harman did.

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then she's lying.

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That's one reason she is a winning player. Lying is an integral part of the game.

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Couldn't getting up from the table be cosidered a tell?

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Yes

SPOILER ALERT!!!!

Walking away tell.

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I do remember seeing that at the 1998 ME, and that Scotty did end up making the wrong call and losing the hand. I think that it is a tell that the person is strong...remember how pretending not to be interested in a hand is a tell? Obviously walking away says that you're really not interested. So the guy's not worried about losing all his chips.

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I don't see this hurting poker as long as it doesn't get out of control. Poker is still growing and I think more rules along these lines will come eventually, but it'd be pretty silly to be penalized 10 minutes for standing up during a hand.

At least they cut out smoking in many places, that pleases me the most and was a much bigger problem than this IMO. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Boo smoking, yay beer...and poker!

JMB

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Oh yeah, man ... if they ever outlaw beer at the table there's gonna be a revolution!

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OMG, It's Rupert G., the immigrant deli owner from the Letterman show... RIGHT THERE! On the far right!!

OMG, and what's with the Elmo head?? Weird..

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I think that it is a tell that the person is strong...remember how pretending not to be interested in a hand is a tell? Obviously walking away says that you're really not interested. So the guy's not worried about losing all his chips.

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Indeed!

Unless they want you to think that they think that you think that they think that you think that they think they are strong.

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the only thing i read out of this was 'chicken-bleep' and i couldnt stop laughing

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I see you avoided answering my question for the second time.

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If the question is what do I think of people getting up and walking away, I think it's no big deal and nothing needs to be done about it. Let people play their hands the way they want to and don't tie their hands with restrictive rules.

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BTW, I think you have a bad read on the "releasing stress". If that's the case, why not walk away from the table after their pocket 3s hold up? Better yet, why even watch the Flop, Turn, and River after your all-in bet is called? What could be more stressful than that?


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We've seen several examples of people walking away from the table after a hand and not watching the flop, turn, and river cards being dealt.

[/ QUOTE ]There's a HUGE difference between leaving the table AFTER the other person has called your all-in and BEFORE. I have no problem with someone leaving the table AFTER the action is complete and the slot machine spin (flop, turn, river) is completed.

Maybe I'm just too "old school". I still believe internet poker is a completely different, arcade-like version of real poker.

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I'm not even sure whey this is allowed. You leave the table, you fold your hand.

Of course I don't really care; not going to cry over it if it happened, unless I lose with the second nut flush....

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Couldn't getting up from the table be cosidered a tell?

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Yes

SPOILER ALERT!!!!

Walking away tell.

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I was waiting for the video to go from poker to porn any minute.

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I've been noticing this "move" alot on the televised tournaments. Player A goes all-in then disappears from sight! WTF?

I'd like to see a rule saying you must remain in your seat until action is complete on the round (ie, all-in gets called). This "going all-in, then running to hide in the crowd" junk is so bad for poker, IMO.

Does anyone else despise this chicken-bleep play?
Has anyone seen this during their own tournament play?

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I would suggest that a more chicken-bleep play would be to try to get the rules of poker changed to not allow someone to stand up. What's next -- you must sit down and face your opponent. No putting your head down?

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If a player doesn't come back in time, isn't his hand dead if it is called ?

(I benefited from this "move' in a cash game where I won a side pot with a bet, and then was pushed the main pot as well, because the "all-in" wasn't there ... his hand was not turned over, it was mucked because he was not there ... and would have been certainly the main pot winner.)

If there is a defined 'playing area" for a tournament, presumably NOT inclusive of "the crowd", shouldn't leaving it kill a hand ?

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