Ramer and Moneymaker
 

I'm a newbie here so please take it easy...I hope this is the right forum for the question.

Before Ramer and Moneymaker hit the big one does anyone know what games they frequented at pokerstars? Was it all NL, all MTT, SNGs? or if it was LH what level? 4/8? 5/10? much higher?

I've just been curious about this for a while.

thanks in advance.

Re: Ramer and Moneymaker
 

Try and search for some of Raymer's (fossilman) posts. He has some wonderful advice on MTTs, his well thought out post on rebuys is very insightful. I'm not sure if he played a lot of cash games or not.

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I believe Greg played as high as 150-300 at Foxwoods and a fairly big blind no-limit game as well.

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Thanks I appreciate it. Didn't figure they went from 2/4 to the Main Event, but I'd always been curious.

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Greg will probably find his way over so I hope I don't misquote him but iirc he always seemed to prefer mixed games or big bet games to straight limit he. He played pretty big as mentioned, and was already an accomplished tourney player before winning. He helped move many of our games foward with his advice.

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Raymer was a well-known big stakes player at Foxwoods, with the reputation (and staking) of a solid winner from everything I heard.

Moneymaker, on the other hand, seems to have been a low limit online player who got pretty lucky and found his inner poker player at the right time.

If I had to guess, I'd say Moneymaker will be a loser for life at the table, just off what I read. That's typical for many name tourney players I think. But it's a different world now -- speaking, writing and endorsement opportunities mean he is likely to be a rich man as long as he doesn't gamble it away.

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Raymer has been a big cheese on 2+2 for a while. If you look at the archives, you'll find people asking specifically for his advice since about Day One in the tournaments area (around 1999).

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Moneymaker is a better player than everyone gives him credit for. Pro's who played with him or watched him play live even admit that. I'm sure they know more than the people on this forum. At the time of his win he was a 1/2 player online. More than 2 years later now he's plays 30/60 - 40/80 - 50/100 and from I believe a mod on here says, has the skills to beat that game. Both very good players.

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All info is prior to 2004 WSOP

Live games:
cash - regularly 75-150 and 150-300 mixed games, and 300-600 once; for big bet games, regularly 5,5 and 5,10 NLH, and as big as 25,50 NLH and PLO
tourneys - regularly the weekly NLH tourney at Foxwoods, and had played in 10K buyin events a handful of times

Online:
cash - regularly the 75-150 Omaha8 game on PS, and also 30-60 stud8; also played in the biggest available NLH and PLO games
tourneys - regularly in the big one on Sundays, as well as many of the WCOOP events; would've played bigger, but they don't offer very big buyin events online regularly

As for Chris, the 2003 Main Event was his first live poker tournament, but he had played many of the daily events on PokerStars for some period of time. I am not sure, but I believe he had played at least 100 or more online tourneys. He also played cash games on PokerStars, though I am not sure which levels he frequented. He had also played live cash games, as high as 40-80 holdem, if I recall correctly.

Hope that satisfies your curiosity.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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...a mod on here says, (Moneymaker) has the skills to beat that game. Both very good players.

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On a couple occassions, I've repeated a comment from Clarkmeister who played with Chris Moneymaker in the Mirage 40-80 game for a while. Clarkmeister said he thought Moneymaker could probably beat that game.

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On a couple occassions, I've repeated a comment from Clarkmeister who played with Chris Moneymaker in the Mirage 40-80 game for a while. Clarkmeister said he thought Moneymaker could probably beat that game.

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Is that compliment sincere, or back-handed? Not being sarcastic, I just don't know how tough the Mirage 40-80 is. This is from a guy who dropped over $300 in an hour at 8-16 yesterday.

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...therefore, he has been a decent player for a long time.

I forgot to make a conclusion with my other post [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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On a couple occassions, I've repeated a comment from Clarkmeister who played with Chris Moneymaker in the Mirage 40-80 game for a while. Clarkmeister said he thought Moneymaker could probably beat that game.

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Is that compliment sincere, or back-handed? Not being sarcastic, I just don't know how tough the Mirage 40-80 is. This is from a guy who dropped over $300 in an hour at 8-16 yesterday.

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It's a sincere compliment.

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I'm a newbie here so please take it easy...I hope this is the right forum for the question.

Before Ramer and Moneymaker hit the big one does anyone know what games they frequented at pokerstars? Was it all NL, all MTT, SNGs? or if it was LH what level? 4/8? 5/10? much higher?

I've just been curious about this for a while.

thanks in advance.

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Don't you watch the commercials? They didn't play for money, but at the free tables at pokerstars.net, which is not a gambling site, according to the commercials. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Cheers, Carl.

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I am really interested in reading Greg's MTT posts, but I cannot seem to find them when I search by username. It only takes me back a year or so. Does anyone know if these are archived somewhere on 2+2, or anywhere else for that matter? I would really appreciate it, as this is the aspect of my game I am currently working on the most.

Thank you,
Hotel

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there's a forum under other other topics called older archives.

you're welcome.

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tyvm

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I've seen Moneymaker at the 40/80 Mirage game while I was there playing the 20/40. Had a nice stack but he always has that frustrated look to me

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Isn't it true that you were the biggest loser at Foxwoods before you won the WSOP? Isn't that why you moved to Raleigh NC to get away from the Foxwoods Indian Tribe, the Pequats, who repossed your house (teepee). Just a rumor I've heard that I'm giving you a chance to deny.

Vince

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Greg lives in Raleigh? That's where I grew up. We're like twins or something.

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Here is a link to Greg's posts on the recent archives. The older posts don't have usernames, so they're harder to search.

Greg has actually been posting on these boards since the beginning in 1997. I believe his first post can be found here.

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Really? How many WSOP Final events have you won?

Vince

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well i have played 30/60 with money800 on pokerstars, and he most certainly cannot beat that game

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Really? How many WSOP Final events have you won?

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Six.

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Greg, Thanks so much, I really appreciate you taking the time to respond.

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All info is prior to 2004 WSOP


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Isn't it true that you were the biggest loser at Foxwoods before you won the WSOP? Isn't that why you moved to Raleigh NC to get away from the Foxwoods Indian Tribe, the Pequats, who repossed your house (teepee). Just a rumor I've heard that I'm giving you a chance to deny.

Vince

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why the hell would players stake the "biggest loser at foxwoods" for tens of thousands (possibly hundreds of thousands) of dollars?

think it through....

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why the hell would players stake the "biggest loser at foxwoods" for tens of thousands (possibly hundreds of thousands) of dollars

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Most poker players are degenerate gamblers or stupid or both.

Think it through.

Vince

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Moneymaker was playing on Pokerstars.net to sharpen his poker skills!

<font color="white"> according to the commercial! </font> [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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You have found the best poker forum there is. I suppose it is a combination of the moderator and the posters, but you rarely have to wade through disrespectful crap here. If you ask a respectful question, you will get a respectful answer.

I see Fossilman has even answered your question. I was in China when he won the WSOP and as a long time 2+2 lurker, I couldn't wait to catch the updates each day and felt like someone I knew had won.

Thank you to everyone for keeping this such an enjoyable place to read/post. (in fact, my post is basically crap, but after just coming from RGP, I was overwhelmed!!!!!)

Re: Ramer and Moneymaker
 

Greg what happened to the more efficient Big Gulp from last year? What makes the 2 Cokes the more +Ev decision?

I personally don't like it. The 2nd pop would be all watered down by the time you got to it.

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Greg what happened to the more efficient Big Gulp from last year? What makes the 2 Cokes the more +Ev decision?

I personally don't like it. The 2nd pop would be all watered down by the time you got to it.

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Last year we were downtown at Binions, where I could walk across the street during a break and buy a refill from the fountain at the cheap-gift-store. This year we were at Rio and there was no place to get a drink but to buy the overpriced 20oz. bottles at the giftshop, or order drinks from the waitress. I chose to order from the waitress, two at a time.

Ah, the price of fame.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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Really? How many WSOP Final events have you won?

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Six.

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NH

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All info is prior to 2004 WSOP


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Isn't it true that you were the biggest loser at Foxwoods before you won the WSOP? Isn't that why you moved to Raleigh NC to get away from the Foxwoods Indian Tribe, the Pequats, who repossed your house (teepee). Just a rumor I've heard that I'm giving you a chance to deny.

Vince

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why the hell would players stake the "biggest loser at foxwoods" for tens of thousands (possibly hundreds of thousands) of dollars?

think it through....

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You're not familiar with Vince, are you?

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Ah, the price of fame.


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lol, you want sympathy? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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You're not familiar with Vince, are you?

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Probably not, but Fossilman is. Of course he hasn't spoken to me since I made my reply here.

Vince

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Ah, the price of fame.


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lol, you want sympathy? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Hey, nothing hits the spot like a good Coke once in a while.