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Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (10.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 18.75 BB

Villian is a 64/5, and it seemed like he had made acesup on the turn, the river seemed the perfect card to get my money in on.

Raising the turn and capping the river too aggro?

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Looks like UTG flopped or turned a set. Aces up is possible, but I don't think I can cap this river.

Edit: Or he gutshot you on the turn.

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just call the river 3-bet unless this guy is unusually aggressive

if hes very passive, i just call the turn, it really depends on a postflop read and his AF, but i think against most players a raise is right

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Totally depends on the read but at PS 2/4 a 3-bet heads up on the river against a preflop raiser on this board very nearly always screams more than two pair.

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yeah i've been thinking how bad this hand actually is, i just managed to get my mind set on him limping with Ax etc... i think that i should just call down the turn and raise and call the inevitable 3-bet on the river.

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yeah i think that seems about right.

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Don't be so sure about just calling that turn bet. A raise is a usually a must (if he's really passive you can just call but don't think its always right just because he had a set this time) and a raise on the river is a must. The cap was ugly. nh

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I have had large cashout thats took 5 days or so... I had to call support, there were some other poeple also waiting, dont panic, just give them another day or two.

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Do we even have the equity to raise the river?

A5 (6) + A9 (6) + A8 (6) + 98 (9) = 27 combos that we beat. There's 18 reasonable set combos out there and 16 straight combos = 34 that we lose to. We can't fold to a raise, so we need to be ahead 2/3 of the time here (ie, 41 more losing hand combinations required). I don't think he's donking with a single pair/air often enough to justify even the first river raise.

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Is this full ring? If not you will wwant to post it in the heads up and Short handed section for better advise

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yeah i've been thinking how bad this hand actually is, i just managed to get my mind set on him limping with Ax etc... i think that i should just call down the turn and raise and call the inevitable 3-bet on the river.

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I'd have a hard time just calling the turn bet and I think the raise is good. However, after calling a turn 3-bet and being bet into again on the K river, it might be best to call and hope he was over-playing a lower 2-pair. However, it looks like a set, or as borodog said, he hit you with a gutshot on the turn...either way, the river didn't scare him and he's not slowing down.

With all that said, if I were playing this hand I might have put 1BB less in the pot. It's tough to slow down on these hands, especially hitting an out on the river.

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I'd have a hard time just calling the turn bet and I think the raise is good.

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So, you think we're ahead most of the time when he donks the turn?

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A raise is a usually a must (if he's really passive you can just call but don't think its always right just because he had a set this time) and a raise on the river is a must.

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I don't see why we must raise the turn and the river.

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I'd have a hard time just calling the turn bet and I think the raise is good.

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So, you think we're ahead most of the time when he donks the turn?

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I agree, it sure doesn't seem like it but with TPTK on this board I might raise. It's probably wrong, and looking at the hand I don't like it either. But, it's tough to know whether I don't like it b/c of the 3-bet and/or the K on the river which would justify a raise after calling the turn. I guess I'm struggling with analyzing the hand where it looks like a turn call, river raise/call 3-bet line looks optimal vs. actually playing the hand out.

If Hero stopped the hand after his turn raise and said "ok?" would you still have said to call not knowing the 3-bet was to follow?

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I don't think you were too aggressive here. It does look like your opponent made Aces and Eights on the turn. I would have played Aces and Kings as the best hand on the river hoping that your not up against a set of eights

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If opponent is decent then the river cap is the only move I found a little over the top.

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I like every part of the hand except the river cap. At this point his most likely hand is a set or turned gutshot. But before that he will have 2 pair a large percentage of the time.

edit: We may want to discuss the merit in checking the turn, since turn donk is often a bluff or has us badly beaten.

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I think you're ahead a large percentage of the time he donks the turn, but as previously stated in a few threads raising here is soemtimes NOT correct. His donk either has you beat or is a folding to a raise, since he'll be donking medium-low pairs on the turn alot, or even the paired 9.

Sometimes allowing him to continue to push his hand on the river, and raising when the K hits is the best line.

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i like it cept for your river cap.

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i like it cept for your river cap.

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