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Does anybody have any agruments against veganism? Im trying to argue with my teacher, who is a vegan.

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Uhh, meat tastes good?

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Does anybody have any agruments against veganism? Im trying to argue with my teacher, who is a vegan.

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The argument against veganism is "I don't mind killing stuff in order to eat it"

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Look to see if that Vegan wears leather shoes or belts or has a leather wallet and ask them how they justify that?

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Meat has a chance to run.

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This argument doesn't hold any water. This is like calling someone who donates to charity a hypocrite because they didn't donate twice as much. People should do what they feel comfortable with to try and make the world better.

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What kind of argument are we talking about? Is it a lifestyle choice or a we shouldn't kill animals for food argument?

edit - I think vegetables can feel pain and you eat them while they are still alive....GROSSSS!

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tofu vs. filet mignon
enough said

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I like this.

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Well, I think the only real argument is against someone who is doing it for health reasons. If they're morally opposed to the mistreatment of animals to the point that they have completely given up on any animal (by)products, there is probably nothing you can say to convince them to come back to reality. If they are doing it mostly for health reasons, they are sadly misinformed. I'm no nutritionist, but basically, human beings are carnivores. We're meant to be carnivores, and our bodies expect certain levels of animal intake.

My best argument, however, would be bringing in Moby and seeing if he could take a light little bunch without losing control of his extremities.

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hypothetical situation:

you are vegan. you've been hiking through the rain forest for a week, eating nothing but leaves and moss the whole time. you are exhausted. you found no fruits or edible roots (must be offseason). you come to a town and discover that you have no local currency and you don't speak the language. you meet one aussie in a bar. as far as you know, he is the only one who can communicate with you. you tell him you are hungry and he puts a ham sandwich in front of you.

your options:
(1) say, no thanks, i am vegan.
(2) peel off the bread and the lettuce and eat them hoping the bread is vegan friendly.
(3) screw your principles.

P.S. this actually happened to a friend of mine

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Well, I think the only real argument is against someone who is doing it for health reasons. If they're morally opposed to the mistreatment of animals to the point that they have completely given up on any animal (by)products, there is probably nothing you can say to convince them to come back to reality. If they are doing it mostly for health reasons, they are sadly misinformed. I'm no nutritionist, but basically, human beings are carnivores. We're meant to be carnivores, and our bodies expect certain levels of animal intake.

My best argument, however, would be bringing in Moby and seeing if he could take a light little bunch without losing control of his extremities.

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I'm not the best informed on this subject, but I bet someone who is could really make you look like a retard for this post.

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Well, I think the only real argument is against someone who is doing it for health reasons. If they're morally opposed to the mistreatment of animals to the point that they have completely given up on any animal (by)products, there is probably nothing you can say to convince them to come back to reality. If they are doing it mostly for health reasons, they are sadly misinformed. I'm no nutritionist, but basically, human beings are carnivores. We're meant to be carnivores, and our bodies expect certain levels of animal intake.

My best argument, however, would be bringing in Moby and seeing if he could take a light little bunch without losing control of his extremities.

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Aren't humans omnivores? Our bodies can process plants.

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Look to see if that Vegan wears leather shoes or belts or has a leather wallet and ask them how they justify that?

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I think this is a good one, better than Paluka does. Pointing out that you're a hypocrite doesn't get any better if you say, well, I'm less of a hypocrite than some other guys are. There's validity to that, but it doesn't really invalidate the point that you're a hypocrite, or the sting of that accusation.

Besides, it sounds like this is a competitive confrontation, not a reasonable one, where you want to win more than come to an understanding. After all, why argue against veganism if it makes someone happy? It's perfectly healthy too. So, I suspect a healthy stupid tussle and attempt to annoy each other.

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hypothetical situation:

you are vegan. you've been hiking through the rain forest for a week, eating nothing but leaves and moss the whole time. you are exhausted. you found no fruits or edible roots (must be offseason). you come to a town and discover that you have no local currency and you don't speak the language. you meet one aussie in a bar. as far as you know, he is the only one who can communicate with you. you tell him you are hungry and he puts a ham sandwich in front of you.

your options:
(1) say, no thanks, i am vegan.
(2) peel off the bread and the lettuce and eat them hoping the bread is vegan friendly.
(3) screw your principles.

P.S. this actually happened to a friend of mine

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What is this an argument for? This is like if someone says they aren't a thief, and then saying "BUT IF YOU DON'T STEAL THE SANDWICH YOU'LL DIE YOU LOSER HYPOCRITE SO SHUT UP"

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The argument is that having to eat baby food and creamed corn on Thanksgiving makes you look like a world class faggot.

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Look to see if that Vegan wears leather shoes or belts or has a leather wallet and ask them how they justify that?

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This argument doesn't hold any water. This is like calling someone who donates to charity a hypocrite because they didn't donate twice as much. People should do what they feel comfortable with to try and make the world better.

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I think it holds plenty of water in that they don't use products that come from animals including stuff like milk that doesn't kill the animal. Yet they have no problem wearing their designer shoes made from the skin of a dead animal.

How does that make sense?

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Steak
a roast beef sandwhich
prime rib

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The argument is that having to eat baby food and creamed corn on Thanksgiving makes you look like a world class faggot.

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Why argue? Your teacher is right. Think about the issue with an open mind and come to your own conclusion before you charge in blindly and ignorantly trying to defend your current lifestyle. Don't throw on the roof before you've built the walls.

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I'm not the best informed on this subject, but I bet someone who is could really make you look like a retard for this post.

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I'm pretty sure anybody could make me look like a retard for pretty much any of my posts. This isn't exactly the place I come to really think about important issues and provide a highly intellectual response. Oh, and yeah, Omnivores.

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Does anybody have any agruments against veganism? Im trying to argue with my teacher, who is a vegan.

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Vegans have smelly farts.

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Look to see if that Vegan wears leather shoes or belts or has a leather wallet and ask them how they justify that?

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This argument doesn't hold any water. This is like calling someone who donates to charity a hypocrite because they didn't donate twice as much. People should do what they feel comfortable with to try and make the world better.

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I think it holds plenty of water in that they don't use products that come from animals including stuff like milk that doesn't kill the animal. Yet they have no problem wearing their designer shoes made from the skin of a dead animal.

How does that make sense?

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So do you think people that have a million dollars and donate $500 to the Hurricane Relief Effort are hypocrites? Clearly they could donate more.

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"After all, why argue against veganism if it makes someone happy? It's perfectly healthy too."

that's sleezy the way you say it blaarg, a cheap trick you are playing with the english language

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I am assuming that this vegan like the countless other vegans I have encountered want to push their beliefs of a "cruelty free lifstyle" onto others while not totally enbracing the actual meaning of what they are preaching.

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here is one interesting fact that is fairly compelling. a dog can eat upto 200 times the cholestoral we eat on a regular basis and none of it remains in their system. when we eat it it stays in our system and we get heart attacks. why do you suppose that is? could it be that maybe we aren't meant to eat meat??

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The argument is that having to eat baby food and creamed corn on Thanksgiving makes you look like a world class faggot.

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BIMO

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why eat what prey eats?

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could it be that maybe we aren't meant to eat meat??

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Our teeth say otherwise.

(and so does my stomach)

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Why do homophobes get so jumpy when someone doesn't want to eat animals?

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Look to see if that Vegan wears leather shoes or belts or has a leather wallet and ask them how they justify that?

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This argument doesn't hold any water. This is like calling someone who donates to charity a hypocrite because they didn't donate twice as much. People should do what they feel comfortable with to try and make the world better.

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I think it holds plenty of water in that they don't use products that come from animals including stuff like milk that doesn't kill the animal. Yet they have no problem wearing their designer shoes made from the skin of a dead animal.

How does that make sense?

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So do you think people that have a million dollars and donate $500 to the Hurricane Relief Effort are hypocrites? Clearly they could donate more.

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I have to admit that I really don't understand this pararell at all. If they use ANY animal products they are not a vegan, and shouldn't claim to be only by choosing to pick out the aspects of veganism that they want to follow while disregarding the aspects they don't.

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could it be that maybe we aren't meant to eat meat??

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Our teeth say otherwise.

(and so does my stomach)

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As do our brains. Meat is the reason we aren't monkeys. You don't want to devolve, do you?

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essentially, its the 'sanctity of life' argument. All life is sacred - ergo don't eat meat. There are lots of flaws with this. One.. plants are alive... bacterium are alive.. Two, who's to say life is sacred? - it's an assumption not based on anything else.

If they don't agree in the sanctity of life argument, and is more of a harm argument - then ask them if they would object to free range eggs. Or eating honey (vegans, technically, are against it). Veganism is different from vegetarianism in this regard.

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Your teeth have evolved to have morals (for chewing plants) and insicors (spelling / name??) (for cutting meat)

Use your teeth as they were meant to be used.

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my teeth have no morals when it comes to delicious animal flesh cooked medium rare.

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The argument is that having to eat baby food and creamed corn on Thanksgiving makes you look like a world class faggot.

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Vegans who eat like that on Thanksgiving are idiots, but they aren't much stupider than the people who think the above is how most vegans actually eat.

There are plenty of relatively good vegan foods to eat on such a day.

If anything, istewart's post just reinforces the idea that most people have no clue what they are talking about when it comes to veganism.

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Look to see if that Vegan wears leather shoes or belts or has a leather wallet and ask them how they justify that?

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I doubt this will be much of an issue. I have yet to meet a vegan who purchases things made from leather, and I used to be involved in animal rights so I have met lots of them. Some do however continue to wear leather garments they might have bought before becoming vegans.

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I am assuming that this vegan like the countless other vegans I have encountered want to push their beliefs of a "cruelty free lifstyle" onto others while not totally enbracing the actual meaning of what they are preaching.

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you sound really stupid, so probably you have really stupid friends and maybe they are vegan, that is why they act that way. all vegeterian and vegan people i know - and there are a lot, probably some people you know are vegeterian and you don't even realize it because they are so low key about it - are a lot more reasonable than you and never preach their beliefs.

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