Whats the best way to read women?
 

Ok, this is my first non-poker post to the psych forum.

I go to a college with 30k or so students, and I happen to sit next to probably the cutest girl on campus. I'm trying to figure out if she likes me or not. Its very very hard for me to tell these things, because I get a lot of false positives, and hopefully some false negatives in my overall experience with women.

Here are my clues:

Favorable:

1. She goes out of her way to compliment me on various things. "This stuff is easy for you because you're smart"
"I'm so glad we ended up sitting next to eachother"
"Its almost like you're already a lawyer"
"Its cute the way you do that"
"I'm really happy that I have a friend in the class"
"Your hair looks good. Did you get a haircut?"

2. She laughs at my jokes

3. She smiles at me a lot

4. She keeps trying to make plans that involve me
"I really want to learn latin. We should take latin together!"

"We need to study together"

"You should teach me how to play poker. Do you think I'll be good?"

Or, she'll ask me if I like horror movies and then she'll mention that one is playing...

5. She started initiating and giving me hugs whenever she says goodbye now.
I don't know if this part is favorable or unfavorable actually, because maybe if she liked me she would be too uncomfortable to hug me?

6. She offered to "heal" my stomache ache.
She's into yoga and stuff like that and told me she would do healing work on my stomache problems. I don't believe in stuff like this, but its a pretty nice thought, like when you know someone is keeping you in their prayers or rooting for you to win a hand or something.

7. We both like folk music and country music.
Who in LA likes folk and country? I'm not saying we're "made for eachother" because I don't believe in stuff like that, but I do think that when two people share odd tastes its more favorable than when two people share typical tastes.

8. We seem to have similarly left-wing politics.
Its usually a good thing when two people have common values. If nothing else, it makes for good conversation and less awkward situations when election season comes around.

9. She bought me coffee one time

10. She said "I love you" in a girly way when I gave her this burnt cd. Then she said she'd buy me something while she's away on her vacation.

11. She asked me for my phone number w/in the first few classes

Unfavorable:

1. I aked her to a halloween party, and she told me she had some friends in town and was doing something else, but that I should give her the address and she might stop by...

This is hard for me to evaluate because her excuse might be true.

2. She is 26 and I am 21.
This is pretty unfavorable just by itself. Most women I know like older guys.

3. She's so much hotter than I am its ridiculous.
I'm very thin, and not at all muscular. I'm probably 130 pounds soaking wet. I have brown hair, and I am only 5 foot 10 1/2. Also, I have a very fair complexion. I think most women like tall guys with medium builds with blonde hair and a tan, sooooo in other words, I'm NOT exactly what women want.
This doesn't mean I haven't been with attractive women before, but it does mean that I'm not what someone would call a hottie.

4. We live sort of far apart. Sure, we're both in LA, but its a big city, and driving sucks.

Anyway, I'm not sure how to read her. What other clues should I pay attention to that I'm missing. I've been sitting next to her for maybe 3 months now, so I've had a lot of time to size things up. Shouldn't I know by now one way or the other?

Thanks,
Snowball

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I would ask her out for any one of these multiple reasons that you've stated above.

honestly, she's thrown every hint at you, and she's probably frustrated taht you "don't get it".

if it does work out for you, you should mention that you were trying to figure it out, they usually find it cute.

absolutely go for it.

p.s. this advice is also coming from my girlfriend, who is now saying she threw alot of these same hints at me and finally broke down and asked me out... apparently Im too stupid.

oh and a good way to go about this is find an easy way to give her your number, it puts the ball in her court.

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I usually require a girl to say "listen dumbass, I like you" before I'm sure. However, I think even I could have worked out by now that asking her for dinner or whatever would probably be successful.

Another positive sign is if she hasn't dropped "my boyfriend" into any conversations yet - many girls find ways of doing this to warn guys off without doing it directly.

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I usually require a girl to say "listen dumbass, I like you" before I'm sure. However, I think even I could have worked out by now that asking her for dinner or whatever would probably be successful.

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Before I do anything, I think I need to read Sklansky's new book on picking up chicks. I hear he gets more 23 year old girls than Daniel Negraneau.

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Dude, why do you want to fold AA pre-flop? Sure, they may get cracked, but you've to get your money in the middle when you are ahead.

Just realized I posted this to the wrong thread, but after further review it probably still applies. Stop being a pansy and ask her out.

What is the worst thing can happen? She will politely decline.

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Sounds to me like she despises you.

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When i think of this post even though what u describe is not this www.factualmaterial.com/douchebag.htm it is you in essence what kind of retarded face are u. why would u not just ask her out to dinner and take it from there u seem like degenerate scum 3 months lol 3 weeks is suicde try 3 days

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Seriously, dude, the only risks I regret in my life are those I didn't take (few and far between they may be). Take a chance. Worst case is that you misinterpreted her signals and get shot down. Big deal. You think that'll break you? No way, it'll make you stronger, and NEXT time you're in this situation you'll have more confidence to give it another shot (and hopefully not wait so long, cuz you may have waited so long you're slipping into "friend" status).

Do it do it doitdoitdoit

do it

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Ok, this is my first non-poker post to the psych forum.

I go to a college with 30k or so students, and I happen to sit next to probably the cutest girl on campus. I'm trying to figure out if she likes me or not. Its very very hard for me to tell these things, because I get a lot of false positives, and hopefully some false negatives in my overall experience with women.


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I stopped reading here. She doesnt like you.

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I'd say you are 70%. My only concern is negative #3. That makes me worry that she falls in the category of what you might call "movie star niceness" (I just coined that phrase)where she takes it upon herself to make guys out of her league feel good about the attention she gives them, never considering that they may start to think they have a chance with her. If that's the case you are drawing dead. But you'll find out almost instantly so it won't be a prolonged ordeal.

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It seems that she likes you a lot. Also she comes across as a total bimbo, so losing her friendship is no big deal. Just ask her out on a date and take it from there.

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Anyway, I'm not sure how to read her. What other clues should I pay attention to that I'm missing.

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WOmen are a lot like poker opponents. Pay little or no attention to what they say -- they are defined by what they do.

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I think this situation clearly calls for a value bet, then adjust your game according to what she does.

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You have no way of knowing it, but I've been laffin' my butt off! You, IMO, have waaaaaaaay too many "self esteem problems." <------ pop psych, I know, I know! But it does seem appropriate here.

Quit putting yourself down and start makin' a play. Some women DO NOT give a rat's ass about 70% of what us guys think they're concerned with. She's ONLY five years older. Up until I was in my late 30's the best I ever had was always at least 10 years older. (topic for a whole other thread)

Now, you DO know we're gunna expect updates, trip reports and PICS? Right?

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My wife of 3+ years is totally cute and way out of my league in the looks department. The world is full of ugly guys with good-looking girlfriends. Who knows what they see in us? She's giving you every hint in the book. At 26 she may be mature enough to not judge a guy based only on his looks. Go for it.

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Dude, why do you want to fold AA pre-flop? Sure, they may get cracked, but you've to get your money in the middle when you are ahead.

Just realized I posted this to the wrong thread, but after further review it probably still applies. Stop being a pansy and ask her out.

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I love this place.

I like a stop and go here, of asking her to get together to study, and then pulling a move if the mood feels right. Late night, some textbooks, could work out nicely.

Snowball, keep us posted.

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1. She goes out of her way to compliment me on various things. "This stuff is easy for you because you're smart"
"I'm so glad we ended up sitting next to eachother"
"Its almost like you're already a lawyer"
"Its cute the way you do that"
"I'm really happy that I have a friend in the class"
"Your hair looks good. Did you get a haircut?"
2. She laughs at my jokes
3. She smiles at me a lot
4. She keeps trying to make plans that involve me
"I really want to learn latin. We should take latin together!"
"We need to study together"
"You should teach me how to play poker. Do you think I'll be good?"
Or, she'll ask me if I like horror movies and then she'll mention that one is playing...
5. She started initiating and giving me hugs whenever she says goodbye now.
6. She offered to "heal" my stomache ache.
She's into yoga and stuff like that and told me she would do healing work on my stomache problems. I don't believe in stuff like this, but its a pretty nice thought, like when you know someone is keeping you in their prayers or rooting for you to win a hand or something.
10. She said "I love you" in a girly way when I gave her this burnt cd. Then she said she'd buy me something while she's away on her vacation.
11. She asked me for my phone number w/in the first few classes


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If you don't as her out after all these hints, who will you ask out????

Based on this list of clues, you should just make a pass at her rather than ask her out. Try it while she's "healing your stomach".

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You guys are taking those "hints" a little too seriously. There's a good chance that she likes you. There's also a good chance she considers you a good guy and would NEVER date you.

No matter how many signals you're getting, remember one thing: women are [censored] crazy.

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based on the positives and your self image, it seems like she is a overly flirtatious girl who enjoys having the upper hand and control over a self conscious guy. why do girls sometimes do this? because they can. to see if she is genuine with her comments, see how she interacts with other guys. is she the same way, or are you special?
it's possible that she does find you attractive, but she may feel like you are too thick to ask her out. wait too long and the opportunity will slip away.
the negatives didn't seem too bad, still possible.
good luck

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You're probably ahead, but she could be using you:
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"This stuff is easy for you because you're smart"
"I'm so glad we ended up sitting next to eachother"
"Its almost like you're already a lawyer"
"Its cute the way you do that"
"I'm really happy that I have a friend in the class"


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Justgo ahead and pull you wanker out...if she blows you it is safe to assume that she wants to go out with you!

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All signs point to yes, but I suck with women also so I'd probably post about it rather than actually ask her out. That's me though...I say you can do better and actually go out on a date with her. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Jeff

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You're thinking too hard. Do some pushups before class and ask her out.

P.S. Even though she is older, you are on the same level in school. It's not like you're in college and she's a doctor. Besides, older women rule, and they do like younger guys, if you have your [censored] together.

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Best way to read women?

In Braille.

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She's giving you a lot of signals and if you don't act on them soon she will put you in the "wuss" category and chicks don't want a wussyboy.
Try putting it into your head that you're not the lucky one because she's interested, you're the prize and she will have to work for it.

Do not go out and buy her dinner as that's wussy too, she'll just think that you want to buy her, instead suggest that she should come along with you and do something not related to school.
For example say "hey (hot chick), I'm going to this new flying aquarium (or whatever) downtown, you should tag along, it will be fun."
If she's interested she'll bite and if not there's plenty more fish in the sea. Seems like you get along together so keep it up and don't start acting needy and calling her 10 times a day in case it starts to work your way. Girls don't like needy guys either, just keep teasing her so she doesn't really know where she has you.
Just think about how good you can make her feel and not the other way around.

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She's giving you a lot of signals and if you don't act on them soon she will put you in the "wuss" category and chicks don't want a wussyboy.
Try putting it into your head that you're not the lucky one because she's interested, you're the prize and she will have to work for it.

Do not go out and buy her dinner as that's wussy too, she'll just think that you want to buy her, instead suggest that she should come along with you and do something not related to school.
For example say "hey (hot chick), I'm going to this new flying aquarium (or whatever) downtown, you should tag along, it will be fun."
If she's interested she'll bite and if not there's plenty more fish in the sea. Seems like you get along together so keep it up and don't start acting needy and calling her 10 times a day in case it starts to work your way. Girls don't like needy guys either, just keep teasing her so she doesn't really know where she has you.
Just think about how good you can make her feel and not the other way around.

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Honestly, I think this is absolutely terrible advice.

I agree that you don't want to seem needy, but most women prefer a man who is open and upfront and honest.

I would ask her out for dinner - there is no ambiguity about dinner - it is a date. All this "oh...you know...whatever...I'm too good for you" BS This may get you laid, but its not the way you start off with a woman if you want anything more than a romp in the hay.

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She's giving you a lot of signals and if you don't act on them soon she will put you in the "wuss" category and chicks don't want a wussyboy.
Try putting it into your head that you're not the lucky one because she's interested, you're the prize and she will have to work for it.

Do not go out and buy her dinner as that's wussy too, she'll just think that you want to buy her, instead suggest that she should come along with you and do something not related to school.
For example say "hey (hot chick), I'm going to this new flying aquarium (or whatever) downtown, you should tag along, it will be fun."
If she's interested she'll bite and if not there's plenty more fish in the sea. Seems like you get along together so keep it up and don't start acting needy and calling her 10 times a day in case it starts to work your way. Girls don't like needy guys either, just keep teasing her so she doesn't really know where she has you.
Just think about how good you can make her feel and not the other way around.

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Honestly, I think this is absolutely terrible advice.

I agree that you don't want to seem needy, but most women prefer a man who is open and upfront and honest.

I would ask her out for dinner - there is no ambiguity about dinner - it is a date. All this "oh...you know...whatever...I'm too good for you" BS This may get you laid, but its not the way you start off with a woman if you want anything more than a romp in the hay.

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I'm not saying that you should act like a jerk, I'm saying that you should not act like she's some divine creature.
I'm not saying you should be dishonest either, where did you get that from?
This whole "asking for a date" also puts alot of pressure in the situation where as going out for just a coffee or for a walk is more neutral, the goal should be to have fun and not trying to be romantic the first date.

People want what they can't have so you should definitely NOT start opening up your heart and telling her what you feel for her in the beginning, that's a sure fire way to get her running for the hills unless she's insecure or you're Brad Pitt.
Her excitement comes from not knowing what comes next and if you tell her right away that you like her and will do anything for her she'll lose all that excitement and can just take you for granted.

If i can play with what you're writing too, about being totally upfront and honest I suppose you're suggesting he'll go to her and say "You're beautiful, I want to have sex with you."
That way of being honest won't get you very far now will it?

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She's giving you a lot of signals and if you don't act on them soon she will put you in the "wuss" category and chicks don't want a wussyboy.
Try putting it into your head that you're not the lucky one because she's interested, you're the prize and she will have to work for it.

Do not go out and buy her dinner as that's wussy too, she'll just think that you want to buy her, instead suggest that she should come along with you and do something not related to school.
For example say "hey (hot chick), I'm going to this new flying aquarium (or whatever) downtown, you should tag along, it will be fun."
If she's interested she'll bite and if not there's plenty more fish in the sea. Seems like you get along together so keep it up and don't start acting needy and calling her 10 times a day in case it starts to work your way. Girls don't like needy guys either, just keep teasing her so she doesn't really know where she has you.
Just think about how good you can make her feel and not the other way around.

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Honestly, I think this is absolutely terrible advice.

I agree that you don't want to seem needy, but most women prefer a man who is open and upfront and honest.

I would ask her out for dinner - there is no ambiguity about dinner - it is a date. All this "oh...you know...whatever...I'm too good for you" BS This may get you laid, but its not the way you start off with a woman if you want anything more than a romp in the hay.

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I'm not saying that you should act like a jerk, I'm saying that you should not act like she's some divine creature.
I'm not saying you should be dishonest either, where did you get that from?
This whole "asking for a date" also puts alot of pressure in the situation where as going out for just a coffee or for a walk is more neutral, the goal should be to have fun and not trying to be romantic the first date.

People want what they can't have so you should definitely NOT start opening up your heart and telling her what you feel for her in the beginning, that's a sure fire way to get her running for the hills unless she's insecure or you're Brad Pitt.
Her excitement comes from not knowing what comes next and if you tell her right away that you like her and will do anything for her she'll lose all that excitement and can just take you for granted.

If i can play with what you're writing too, about being totally upfront and honest I suppose you're suggesting he'll go to her and say "You're beautiful, I want to have sex with you."
That way of being honest won't get you very far now will it?

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You are right - and I apologize for misinterpreting your advice - I just hear it a lot from guys that you have to act all cool and aloof - and my experience is that such an approach only works with skanky women or women with poor self-esteem.

I am not talking about being overly romantic - but as much as women don't like it when men seem needy or pushy, they also DO like it when men are direct and ask for what they want - this is one of the biggest differences you see in women as you get older. College is sort of a middle ground, so its hard to tell what kind of woman this is.

Most women I know - and knew in college - would respect a man who said to her "would you like to go out for dinner this weekend?" rather than trying to act all coy. When you ask for that, you are telling the woman that you want to spend an evening with her and her alone - that makes her feel wanted and makes her feel special - and that is what women want to feel.

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Snowball,
I'm no dating expert. I'm just speaking from a guy similar to you who married WAAAY above him in the looks department.
She wants you.
Every sign is there. Having said that, don't blow it. By that, I mean don't get too excited after your great first date. Don't call her right away. Wait for three days, like the guy in the movie "Swingers." Every girl says that they want a guy who doesn't play games, but play games. Trust me. Play hard to get. She'll like you more.

Lastly, you asked how else to read a woman: if she touches her hair a lot when you are talking, she likes you.

Good luck.

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The problem with women is that they aren't nice, readable TAGS. They are incredible maniacs, going all-in with 2-3 not suited and folding AA preflop when it's that time of the month.

I'd just ask her out. The only thing you can be positive of is that she doesn't hate you, so she'll at least be nice if she rejects you. I'd put you as a 66% favorite to get a date.

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I'd say you are 70%. My only concern is negative #3. That makes me worry that she falls in the category of what you might call "movie star niceness" (I just coined that phrase)where she takes it upon herself to make guys out of her league feel good about the attention she gives them, never considering that they may start to think they have a chance with her. If that's the case you are drawing dead. But you'll find out almost instantly so it won't be a prolonged ordeal.

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This is gold! Will the 2+2 Guide to Dating Hot Older Women be published before or after your NL tour'de force?

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I am not talking about being overly romantic - but as much as women don't like it when men seem needy or pushy, they also DO like it when men are direct and ask for what they want - this is one of the biggest differences you see in women as you get older.

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I've started to see how important the balance is between cockiness and confidence. It's a hard one to walk but is very key, I think, to success in these endeavours. I used to either play it cool and stupid, or be overly romantic right away and scare girls away (or attract the crazy ones). I just recently got up the cojones to finally just ask a girl if she wanted to go out that weekend. To my surprise, it actually worked. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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I'd say you are 70%. My only concern is negative #3. That makes me worry that she falls in the category of what you might call "movie star niceness" (I just coined that phrase)where she takes it upon herself to make guys out of her league feel good about the attention she gives them, never considering that they may start to think they have a chance with her. If that's the case you are drawing dead. But you'll find out almost instantly so it won't be a prolonged ordeal.

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This is gold! Will the 2+2 Guide to Dating Hot Older Women be published before or after your NL tour'de force?

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suckup










j/k

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She's giving you a lot of signals and if you don't act on them soon she will put you in the "wuss" category and chicks don't want a wussyboy.
Try putting it into your head that you're not the lucky one because she's interested, you're the prize and she will have to work for it.

Do not go out and buy her dinner as that's wussy too, she'll just think that you want to buy her, instead suggest that she should come along with you and do something not related to school.
For example say "hey (hot chick), I'm going to this new flying aquarium (or whatever) downtown, you should tag along, it will be fun."
If she's interested she'll bite and if not there's plenty more fish in the sea. Seems like you get along together so keep it up and don't start acting needy and calling her 10 times a day in case it starts to work your way. Girls don't like needy guys either, just keep teasing her so she doesn't really know where she has you.
Just think about how good you can make her feel and not the other way around.

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Honestly, I think this is absolutely terrible advice.

I agree that you don't want to seem needy, but most women prefer a man who is open and upfront and honest.

I would ask her out for dinner - there is no ambiguity about dinner - it is a date. All this "oh...you know...whatever...I'm too good for you" BS This may get you laid, but its not the way you start off with a woman if you want anything more than a romp in the hay.

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I'm not saying that you should act like a jerk, I'm saying that you should not act like she's some divine creature.
I'm not saying you should be dishonest either, where did you get that from?
This whole "asking for a date" also puts alot of pressure in the situation where as going out for just a coffee or for a walk is more neutral, the goal should be to have fun and not trying to be romantic the first date.

People want what they can't have so you should definitely NOT start opening up your heart and telling her what you feel for her in the beginning, that's a sure fire way to get her running for the hills unless she's insecure or you're Brad Pitt.
Her excitement comes from not knowing what comes next and if you tell her right away that you like her and will do anything for her she'll lose all that excitement and can just take you for granted.

If i can play with what you're writing too, about being totally upfront and honest I suppose you're suggesting he'll go to her and say "You're beautiful, I want to have sex with you."
That way of being honest won't get you very far now will it?

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You are right - and I apologize for misinterpreting your advice - I just hear it a lot from guys that you have to act all cool and aloof - and my experience is that such an approach only works with skanky women or women with poor self-esteem.

I am not talking about being overly romantic - but as much as women don't like it when men seem needy or pushy, they also DO like it when men are direct and ask for what they want - this is one of the biggest differences you see in women as you get older. College is sort of a middle ground, so its hard to tell what kind of woman this is.

Most women I know - and knew in college - would respect a man who said to her "would you like to go out for dinner this weekend?" rather than trying to act all coy. When you ask for that, you are telling the woman that you want to spend an evening with her and her alone - that makes her feel wanted and makes her feel special - and that is what women want to feel.

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We might be on the same page after all, I meant to include what you said about knowing what you want too. Being a man who knows what he wants and how to get it is very attractive to women, alot of this depends on your self esteem though.
I think that when you ask her to do something don't act like you're lucky to even be in her presence. Instead see it as an opportunity for the both of you to have a good time together. This sends all the right messages, that you're confident, know what you want and are not afraid of her because she happens to be so good looking.

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great call, that is exactly what i was thinking

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great call, that is exactly what i was thinking

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Am I seeing a trend here?

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I hate to say it, but I'm pretty sure you're in the 'friend zone'. All the 'positives' you listed definitely make me think she likes you, but there's a HUGE difference between her liking you as a friend and getting her back to your dorm room to do a little hibbidy-dibbity ifyouknowwhati'msayin'andithinkyoudo.

On the other hand, I don't think it's hopeless. The 'negatives' you listed don't really seem to be negatives to me. Here's a few 'key tells' I'd look for:

1) from a previous poster, if she EVER brings up a boyfriend, no-go (duh [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]).

2) Casual physical contact. If a female is interested, she'll tend to engage in physical contact, just as she may have done in grade school- a playful shove, a touch on the arm while talking, stuff like that. I know you mentioned hugs, but that could go either way, as you pointed out.

3) Weekend nights- what is she doing? Is she asking you what you're doing? If you haven't discussed it, it's a sign that either she doesn't want to take it to the next level, or she wants YOU to do it. As cliche/old-fashioned as it may sound, women like men who have the confidence to make the first move.

Do you have any mutual friends? If so, see if they have a read on the situation. It usually seems a lot more clear to an observer what's up. If no mutual friends, anyone that may be able to observe you two "in play" so to speak...

Do you drink? Does she? Just as in poker, tells become more prominent when people drink. Not saying get her drunk, but a couple to loosen her (and you) up may get you moving in the right direction.

This is starting to turn into an advice on how to succeed with women, when all you asked for is a way to read the signals. From my vantage point, I'd say she's not currently interested as more than a friend, but it's not to say that she can't be. Good luck.

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Just whip it out already, are you retarded?

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Just whip it out already, are you retarded?

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The thought had crossed my mind, until I read this story about a man who tried the same method, with unfavorable results.

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great call, that is exactly what i was thinking

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Am I seeing a trend here?

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My comment was intended to showcase my rapier wit.

Hey Snowball, sorry I forget to give you the collective wisdom of OOT: Get drunk, call her.