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Toddy 10-24-2005 02:32 AM

Do you usually play QKo?
 
Do you guys usually play this hand from early/mp? I used to muck it everytime but i notice a lot of poeple play it. I know it depends on the situation but im talking in general.

ZBTHorton 10-24-2005 02:33 AM

Re: Do you usually play QKo?
 
I do, but I like to see alot more flops than most people do. In fact, I will even call raises with it sometimes.

Toddy 10-24-2005 02:44 AM

Re: Do you usually play QKo?
 
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I do, but I like to see alot more flops than most people do. In fact, I will even call raises with it sometimes.

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Im actually starting to call. Im realizing im stuck in the poker book theories. Im not playing nearly enough hands. In the $215 tourney today i came in about 600th and i saw 10% of flops.

Toddy 10-24-2005 02:45 AM

Re: Do you usually play QKo?
 
LOL QK just cost me 3k in chips..

ZBTHorton 10-24-2005 02:48 AM

Re: Do you usually play QKo?
 
I used to play a super TAG strategy all the time. Folding anything except Premium to raises. 10% of flops. It was a constant.

Then one day I began being aggressive. Not LAG. Maybe a little SLAG. But definitely playing pots. The amount of success I've had since then is absolutely unmeasurable in comparison.

Toddy 10-24-2005 02:50 AM

Re: Do you usually play QKo?
 
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I used to play a super TAG strategy all the time. Folding anything except Premium to raises. 10% of flops. It was a constant.

Then one day I began being aggressive. Not LAG. Maybe a little SLAG. But definitely playing pots. The amount of success I've had since then is absolutely unmeasurable in comparison.

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Im starting to actually "get it".. The last week ive been opening up and actually almost WON the Bahamas double shootout.. Even raising w/ crap when i smell weakness..

ZBTHorton 10-24-2005 02:52 AM

Re: Do you usually play QKo?
 
I began opening up when I began playing 3/6 and 5/10 SH instead of 5/10 full ring a month or so ago.

6 FT's since then. (small sample size). But at least I'm having fun while I'm playing. Playing like a wuss is so boring.

ZeroPointMachine 10-24-2005 02:53 AM

Re: Do you usually play QKo?
 
As long as you can avoid getting stacked with TP2K play it. If you can't let go of top pair for your stack it will be your single most expensive hand.

Toddy 10-24-2005 02:54 AM

Re: Do you usually play QKo?
 
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I began opening up when I began playing 3/6 and 5/10 SH instead of 5/10 full ring a month or so ago.

6 FT's since then. (small sample size). But at least I'm having fun while I'm playing. Playing like a wuss is so boring.

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Man a few months back i was ridiculous.. Wouldn't play anything accept the top 15 hands.. I remember I won a $105 SNG and i saw 9/103 flops.. Probably the most ridiculous and amazing stat ever.

Annulus 10-24-2005 03:35 AM

Re: Do you usually play QKo?
 
QK off is a good blind stealing hand in mid to late stages of tourneys when you are in good position.

I will call short stack pushes with QK late in tourneys when it wont damage me much if i lose.

but early in tourneys i usually wont play QK from early position , or if there are a ton of limpers from late position. LIke someone said earlier, you have to be able to play it smartly post flop.

pfkaok 10-24-2005 03:38 AM

Re: Do you usually play QKo?
 
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LIke someone said earlier, you have to be able to play it smartly post flop

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this is really the key. if you have a decent edge over the table your at then KQo should be profitable up front. if you're at a really tough table, or if you're not that good, then folding is better.

ansky451 10-24-2005 04:26 AM

Re: Do you usually play QKo?
 
I havent set a preflop playing standard rule for myself in quite sometime. It's all about the table dynamics.

10-24-2005 04:51 AM

Re: Do you usually play QKo?
 
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LIke someone said earlier, you have to be able to play it smartly post flop

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this is really the key. if you have a decent edge over the table your at then KQo should be profitable up front. if you're at a really tough table, or if you're not that good, then folding is better.

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Good point. I play AJ similarly. Usually fold to a pf raise with both hands.

Malachii 10-24-2005 06:03 AM

Re: Do you usually play QKo?
 
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I used to play a super TAG strategy all the time. Folding anything except Premium to raises. 10% of flops. It was a constant.

Then one day I began being aggressive. Not LAG. Maybe a little SLAG. But definitely playing pots. The amount of success I've had since then is absolutely unmeasurable in comparison.

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This is very interesting to me. I'm a cash game player and have a very tight, almost nut peddling strategy in the early stages of tournies. It hasn't been very successful with me (although I don't play many tournies). What sort of adjustments have you made? If you could provide some detail, I'd appreciate it.

nath 10-24-2005 04:11 PM

Re: Do you usually play QKo?
 
If you're playing too tight early in tournaments, start playing more hands with high implied odds-- small pairs and suited connectors-- and start taking more flops (and picking up pots) in position.

KQ is not a high implied odds hand, but I often play it for a limp up front anyway; you can take a lot of chips from KJ, KT, and QJ, all of which you often see in early stages.
But I still play it with a deft touch. I wouldn't commit too much of my stack without at least top two pair.

It's hard to articulate. You have to feel comfortable that you can play it profitably before it will work out for you. Of course, the best way to learn to do so is to start playing it, but you can lose money in the meantime learning.

10-24-2005 04:18 PM

Re: Do you usually play QKo?
 
I was in a dry spell recently and got so frustrated I started calling preflop with hands like 10-7o just trying to make something happen. It has really worked. I've been playing these cards from late position mainly. KQ is a hand I REALLY want to be in position to play. It is very difficult to play from EP. By the time you find out you're dominated, you're screwed. I will fold it from EP, especially as the blinds begin to rise.

Malachii 10-24-2005 07:00 PM

Re: Do you usually play QKo?
 
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I was in a dry spell recently and got so frustrated I started calling preflop with hands like 10-7o just trying to make something happen. It has really worked. I've been playing these cards from late position mainly

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This is interesting... my understanding of tournament philosophy is that you want to conserve your chips as much as possible for when you double up. Do other players use this strategy frequently?


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