when are you officially all in?
 

suppose you are playing say 100-200 limit
you happen to have 100 left on the flop and you bet it.
are you now all-in, or do you only become all-in when theres a new bet/raise you cant cover?
the only reason i ask is that if you become allin during a hand, if you want to buy more chips after the hand (assuming you lost), you have to buy at least the table minimum, if you werent all in, you could buy less than the minimum.(at least thats the rule anyplace ive played)

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When you put all the chips in front of you into the pot you are all in. Most rooms allow one short buy in limit games.

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You're all in once you have no more chips in front of you. When those last 100 go into the pot, whether there's a raise or not, you're all in. The side pot will be created IF more money goes in, but even if it doesn't you are all in because you're out of chips.

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When you put all the chips in front of you into the pot you are all in. Most rooms allow one short buy in limit games.

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thanks
it doesnt make sense to me, but thanks
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When you put all the chips in front of you into the pot you are all in. Most rooms allow one short buy in limit games.

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thanks
it doesnt make sense to me, but thanks
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What would make sense to you? Being all in before you put all your chips in the pot? Being all in while you are putting your last chips in the pot? Or being all in after you put all your chips in the pot? I'm really wondering what doesn't make sense to you.

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When you put all the chips in front of you into the pot you are all in. Most rooms allow one short buy in limit games.

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thanks
it doesnt make sense to me, but thanks
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What would make sense to you? Being all in before you put all your chips in the pot? Being all in while you are putting your last chips in the pot? Or being all in after you put all your chips in the pot? I'm really wondering what doesn't make sense to you.

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it would make sense to me that you become all in when you are facing a bet and cant cover it

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There are no short buy-ins in Atlantic City. Once you go all in, you must buy in for at least the table minimum. At Borgata, the buy-ins for 40-80 and 80-160 are higher than the norm (1000 and 2000 respectively). So if people go all in, they have to come up with the complete buy-in (which I think is a little excessive). I think there should be one short buy-in allowed...people are just paranoid about hit and run I guess.

Jeff

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.people are just paranoid about hit and run I guess.

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i heard they raised it just for that particular reason. i think they should raise it for the 20 game as well

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So if people go all in, they have to come up with the complete buy-in (which I think is a little excessive).

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This is a misstatement of the rule, which is what leads to your confusion.

The rule is that if you have no more chips (or cash if cash plays) on the table than you must make a full buy-in in order to buy more chips.

You may think that this makes no sense, but short buys make no sense to me.

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There are no short buy-ins in Atlantic City. Once you go all in, you must buy in for at least the table minimum. At Borgata, the buy-ins for 40-80 and 80-160 are higher than the norm (1000 and 2000 respectively). So if people go all in, they have to come up with the complete buy-in (which I think is a little excessive). I think there should be one short buy-in allowed...people are just paranoid about hit and run I guess.

Jeff

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These aren't that much larger than standard. The normal buy-iin is 5 times that max bet for games lower than 30-60, $500 for 30-60, and 10 times the max bet for games larger than 30-60.

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i think they should raise it for the 20 game as well

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Why? People who try to hit and run are usually bad and produce action. Often they will keep pulling out hundred after hundred if they get cracked too. So what if someone parlays $400 in $2000 and leaves. That's life (and also, I've found this to be exceedingly rare). I personally have no problem with the buy-in rules since I don't buy short. But I think if someone gets cracked for, say, $6000 in the yellow game and they only have $1000 left, they should CERTAINLY get a shot to put it in play. They will probably give it away anyway. And if they get lucky and build it up, that's poker (plus they will prob continue playing badly trying to get even which may tilt others and contribute to the game's overall action). If you make them leave if they can't produce $2000, they might not come back to donate more money.

I just don't get why people get upset about hit and run in a public cardroom.

Jeff

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10 times the max bet for games larger than 30-60.

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I don't believe this to be the case in AC outside of Borgata, but I'm honestly not sure.

Jeff

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10 times the max bet for games larger than 30-60.

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I don't believe this to be the case in AC outside of Borgata, but I'm honestly not sure.

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Nothin I would say applies to AC, these are standard buy-ins for normal poker rooms.

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People who try to buy in short after getting tapped are usually not playing well. I want their action. Also, if you tell them they have to come up with 2k, they may leave and not come back. But if you allow them the short buyin, they may lose it and then go get more money to lose. Malmuth actually mentions this in one of his poker essays books...sometimes you don't want to enforce short buy-in restrictions if it makes it more likely someone will go off for all their money.

This is a minor issue to me b/c people at Borg generally always come up with lots of hundred dollar bills. I just think the regulars who wanted these buyin rules are not really thinking it through.

Jeff

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i think they should raise it for the 20 game as well

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Why?

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because i have a mental problem. other than that i agree with the rest of your reasoning.

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i think they should raise it for the 20 game as well

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this would be the scenario which i described earlier, if this -$6000 guy puts in his last bet on the river, nobody raises, he would be able to rebuy for his $1000 if he wasnt considered all-in and would be shut out if he was (in a game where the min was > 1000)

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If this guy had 160 left (or less), bet it and got called, then lost, he DID go all-in and would have to come up with a complete buy-in. That's my understanding and I'm pretty sure it's correct. If he, for example, had $180 left (one additional chip) and his bet was called (and he lost), he could rebuy in for whatever he wanted b/c he was not all in.

Jeff

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The problem is by your thinking you could rarely be 'all-in' heads up. If you bet your last $100 and we're heads up you would never be all-in since I can't raise as you have no money left.

Once you make a bet with your last chip and it's called those chips are in the pot and you have gone all-in.

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If you bet your last $100 and we're heads up you would never be all-in since I can't raise as you have no money left.

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sure you can, just say raise and then i would officially be allin

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This never happens. When headsup, and the other guy bets all his chips...I do not say raise because, well, people will laugh at me. People call these bets.

If by calling the bet and going all in result in the same action (putting all your chips in the pot so that there is no more playable currency in front of you), then you have gone all in.

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This never happens. When headsup, and the other guy bets all his chips...I do not say raise because, well, people will laugh at me. People call these bets.

If by calling the bet and going all in result in the same action (putting all your chips in the pot so that there is no more playable currency in front of you), then you have gone all in.

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we have pretty much established this already.

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2 questions

Why would you be all in ever anyway in a limit game, and why would you want to rebuy for less than the usual 5BB minimum?

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2 questions

Why would you be all in ever anyway in a limit game, and why would you want to rebuy for less than the usual 5BB minimum?

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i wouldnt