HULA ML cleanup poll
 

Ok this is going to be easy. Everyone from the five teams that qualified for the HULA playoffs gets to cast a vote.

There will be no poll, just reply to this message with 1-4 according on your preference. You have until Monday night at 11:59pm est to vote.

Here are the options:

1) play it all out--normal payout structure
2) playoff for 4th place--even 4-way split among top 4 teams
3) call the season as is and split evnely among top 5 teams
4) money goes to charity.

Don't explain your choice or say, "i vote 1 but I also like 2".

Just reply with a number. It's that easy.

After I watch Monday Night Football I will be tallying the votes and posting the results.

And I have a list of the people on the five teams, so no funny business from other people [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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1- play it all out

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For those voting for 1 or 2, better indicate if you're willing to be the one to chivvy the players into showing up. I'm not.

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don't see what the problem is.

if they don't show up then they forfeit.

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if they don't show up then they forfeit.

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I am making this the official rule. No exceptions, no argueing.

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Right.

But timprov was seeming to imply that this will just be SOOOO difficult because it enough people will just be lazy and refuse to play.

Well...that's their problem and their fault.
If it's a draw/double-forfeit then that's fine.
If one team wins because another team gets lazy that's fine too.
That's life.

Just enforce the forfeits as they happen and move on.
And I still don't fully understand the reasoning behind not having the playoffs (aside from perhaps the people who are just not in the mood to do it and are kind of sick of the whole thing).

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Since you seem to think it's SOOOO easy, I nominate you to be in charge if the 1's win.

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#3
if you choose 1 i'd suggest you also propose solutions to deciding who gets the last playoff spot (only 1 team has a definite spot) and to who you think the commisioner should be. also, i'd say that anyone that doesn't vote is in essence voting for non-participation and should be tallied as a 3.

otherwise this poll unfairly under-represents the wishes of those folks that have already distanced themselves from HULA. (it's called self-selection bias and applies here) not to be a hard-a$$, but this is only reasonable.

if for instance, 6 people vote for a playoff and 14 people don't vote it would seem kind of silly to go on IMO. if we get votes from 20 folks,a majority want a playoff, and we can come to agreement on who makes the playoff, who the commisioner is, and the rules used for the playoffs then by all means i'm happy to concur.

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in all honesty the biggest sticking point for me is deciding who gets into the playoff if we were to have one. i don't know the forfeit history for all the teams (our team received 0 i'm pretty sure), but didn't dave's team (potentially) reach the playoff because of multiple forfeits which were applied in the last week, when forfeits weren't generally awarded in earlier weeks. i'm not sure if this also applies to other teams.

w/no disrespect for the team, i don't really think they're deserving of a spot. but i don't really want to entertain a big fight over who gets in, especially w/no commisioner to decide. but that's just my feelings on the matter.

if, on the other hand, a team wanted to independently arrange a match to play for each other's prize pool share i'd gladly participate.

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I was worried about this too, but it doesn't seem likely. We have 14 votes already, and right now it's 5-0-8-1. If the #1s do manage to win, we'll have a quorum.

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I hear ya.

Everyone's got their own reason for picking a number. Me, I would pick "1" every other week of the year, but I'll be at foxwoods for two weeks for the WPT event starting Thursday and it would be really out of the way to have to run to my hotel room to play a heads up match on the computer...but, I could do it.

Some poeple might see some profit on their initial deposit and would rather take the money then risk it...though this is silly because thats why we play poker in the first place, but oh well.

So everyone's got their own reasons so I don't think it's fair for you to say that you can't understand the reasons of others.

I'm sure everyone has their own reasons which are unique, but they didn't post them because I asked them not to in the OP.

That being said let's move all other discussion on this topic to another thread (Timprovs HULA ML one) to keep this one as clean as possible.

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We are not counting non participation as anything.

Please, guys, all discussion in another thread. No reasons, no solutions, no proposals, just a number.

All of the above mentioned things can be discussed somewhere other than the poll thread.

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We are not counting non participation as anything.

Please, guys, all discussion in another thread. No reasons, no solutions, no proposals, just a number.

All of the above mentioned things can be discussed somewhere other than the poll thread.

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nice unilateral decision, i say we are.
???? c'mon it looks like the point may be moot, but it's a little silly to self-appoint yourself w/random authority.

i do think, however, that people that vote to continue should propose exactly how we do it, starting w/my questions above.

we could also have a poll on "should we have world peace and free ice cream for everyone?" voting yes, w/out a plan on how to do it is worthless

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We are not counting non participation as anything.

Please, guys, all discussion in another thread. No reasons, no solutions, no proposals, just a number.

All of the above mentioned things can be discussed somewhere other than the poll thread.

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nice unilateral decision, i say we are.
???? c'mon it looks like the point may be moot, but it's a little silly to self-appoint yourself w/random authority.

i do think, however, that people that vote to continue should propose exactly how we do it, starting w/my questions above.

we could also have a poll on "should we have world peace and free ice cream for everyone?" voting yes, w/out a plan on how to do it is worthless

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I don't think you get it. I have no authority, I just proposed a vote. I'm not deciding anything...the majority is deciding. All I did was set up the thread.

No one objected to it. No one really said "I'm going to decide" So, group votes. It is simple.

And you can propose other things, in fact I encourage it. Just don't do it in this poll because then people respond to everything and it makes it a pain in the ass to tally.

Anyways if you still feel the need to express yourself in this thread that is OK, I can't stop you, but I just asked nicely for you to do it somewhere else.

I really don't care what the decision is I just want to see the majority opinion from those still in it. After we get a majority decision then a final decision becomes pretty clear (or at least more clear than it is now).

Jon

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Edit: deleted, to keep this thread clean.

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didn't dave's team (potentially) reach the playoff because of multiple forfeits which were applied in the last week, when forfeits weren't generally awarded in earlier weeks. i'm not sure if this also applies to other teams. w/no disrespect for the team, i don't really think they're deserving of a spot.

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Dave44's team had more individual victories than any other team so to say that they are not deserving of a playoff spot is ridiculous.

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I vote #1. #3 is unfair to the 4 playoff teams, including a 5th who wouldn't make the playoffs. All this talk of my team being undeserving is completely unfair. We have done all that has been asked of us and compiled the most individual wins, which should give us the tiebreaker versus anyone. We are ready to play it out.

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didn't dave's team (potentially) reach the playoff because of multiple forfeits which were applied in the last week, when forfeits weren't generally awarded in earlier weeks. i'm not sure if this also applies to other teams. w/no disrespect for the team, i don't really think they're deserving of a spot.

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Dave44's team had more individual victories than any other team so to say that they are not deserving of a playoff spot is ridiculous.

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didn't mean to single out your team dave. goofball's is in the same boat. and while i don't think your teams should be awarded all the free last week victories (7 or 8 between you?), i don't think you should be penalized either.

if you want to suggest the 4 playoff teams and your rationale i'm all ears. doesn't seem anyone has been willing to do this. if we were to continue my suggestion would be that ihardlyknowher, raisins, and bds are given spots (played all their matches and insdisputably reached 4-2 records) and that goofball and dave44's teams have a play-in for the 4th spot. since forfeit rules were never uniformly instituted/applied, the results of these teams final matches are unknown and this would be the most fair way to proceed if we were to have a playoff IMO.

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hey man Goofball's team was 4-1 going into week 6(all4 wins were legit 3-x), so enough of this bullshit about them getting where they were by forfeits

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my mistake and apologies. hard to figure out what happened late in the season skimming thru threads.

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Uno. Have a single cpt. vs. cpt. HU match for the final playoff spot. Use a large blind structure if time is tight for the relevant cpts.

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If my team is going to be punished for other players forfeiting matches against us like people are suggesting (which I think is terrible), then I suppose I'd rather just do #3.

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How many forfiets did we get(dave44)?I was under the impression it was just 1

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If my team is going to be punished for other players forfeiting matches against us like people are suggesting (which I think is terrible), then I suppose I'd rather just do #3.

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I doubt you'll be punished for that. Actually I'm pretty sure you won't. Why would the forfeit rule be used otherwise? It's absurde. You won, that's all.

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I've got it on pretty good authority that Alobar would prefer option 1, but is voting 3, just because this thing has dragged on waaaaaaaaaaaay to long as it is, and is no longer really any fun.

If option 1 does win tho, any player who doesnt make their match, should automatically lose by forfiet. Any match that doesnt take place within 1 week from the announcement of matches, should also be forfieted. And any player that forfeits a match, either because he didnt show up, or neither he nor his opponent got the match done in time, then that player should have any future matches hes in forfieted as well, should his team advance (i.e. play your [censored] matches). If a tie ends up because only 2 matches got played and its 1-1, then the tiebreaker should be some arbitarily random thing like picking a number between 1 and 10. (i.e. if you dont want your fates left up the gods, then play your [censored] matches).