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PokerFink 10-21-2005 04:25 PM

AK mixing it up (aka PokerFink gets FPS)
 
Reads: Villian is a donk. Somewhere in the range of 60/15. When he bets the flop I figure him for a mid ace and I'm confident he will bet the turn again.

I know I should have raised a bit more on the turn, but he's likely drawing to just two or three outs depending on whether his kicker is a club or not.

EDIT: Let me also add that:

a) This is not my normal line (duh).
b) Villian will call the river bet with any unimproved ace.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP ($28.05)
CO ($89.30)
Button ($96.45)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($114.70)</font>
<font color="#C00000">BB ($178.85)</font>
UTG ($28.30)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, BB calls $4, UTG folds, CO folds.

Flop: ($12) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $5</font>, Hero calls $5.

Turn: ($22) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20</font>, BB calls $13.

River: ($62) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, BB calls $20.

Final Pot: $102

Thoughts?

10-21-2005 04:28 PM

Re: AK mixing it up (aka PokerFink gets FPS)
 
Man, I just cannot not fathom checking the flop, it hurts my brain

GrunchCan 10-21-2005 04:33 PM

Re: AK mixing it up (aka PokerFink gets FPS)
 
[ QUOTE ]
Man, I just cannot not fathom checking the flop, it hurts my brain

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree. Given that Hero is the preflop aggressor, checking this flop seems to me like an error, even considering the aggro read we have. If the opponent is aggro as implied, he's just as likely to raise a pot-sized bet on the flop as bet himself if checked to. Of course, if I pot the flop &amp; get raised, I'm pushing.

PokerFink 10-21-2005 04:35 PM

Re: AK mixing it up (aka PokerFink gets FPS)
 
Guys, I know this is weird. I know how you would normally play it, it's the same as I would normally play it.

As it is, FPS, do you like it?

Riposte 10-21-2005 04:37 PM

Re: AK mixing it up (aka PokerFink gets FPS)
 
What is FPS?

PokerFink 10-21-2005 04:38 PM

Re: AK mixing it up (aka PokerFink gets FPS)
 
[ QUOTE ]
What is FPS?

[/ QUOTE ]

Fancy Play Syndrome.

arod15 10-21-2005 04:39 PM

Re: AK mixing it up (aka PokerFink gets FPS)
 
Bet at least 40 on the river i make it 50 usually....

j0wlev 10-21-2005 05:18 PM

Re: AK mixing it up (aka PokerFink gets FPS)
 
I think you are leaving too much money on the table here, I see villian calling a tad bit bigger check-raise with a weak A on the turn and making a bigger pot for a much sweeter river value.

Hoopster81 10-21-2005 05:26 PM

Re: AK mixing it up (aka PokerFink gets FPS)
 
haha

crosse91 10-21-2005 05:42 PM

Re: AK mixing it up (aka PokerFink gets FPS)
 
why get all fancy against a player who doesn't require it? Thats why i think this is a bad idea. Also, bet more on the river. You say he'll call river bet with an unimproved ace. Well, how large of a river bet will he call?

Bukem_ 10-21-2005 05:49 PM

Re: AK mixing it up (aka PokerFink gets FPS)
 
Your FPS missed alot of value on flop and turn.

GrunchCan 10-21-2005 06:16 PM

Re: AK mixing it up (aka PokerFink gets FPS)
 
[ QUOTE ]
Guys, I know this is weird. I know how you would normally play it, it's the same as I would normally play it.

As it is, FPS, do you like it?

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually, aside from the fact that I think it was a mistake, I actually think you did pretty well here. I especially like that you didn't wait for the river, but rasied the turn instad. Good job getting max value. (BTW, I'm being serious)

orange 10-21-2005 06:17 PM

Re: AK mixing it up (aka PokerFink gets FPS)
 
I like full PSB on the flop. If raised/3-bet all-in.

From there on, it is read dependent IMO. If he is a calling station, and you put him on a medium ace that cant be laid down, I don't mind betting all the way. 2/3rds on the turn and a river block/value bet is my usual.

If he is somewhat decent, you can choose to bet turn and c/c the river.

I like betting all the way.

savman 10-21-2005 09:59 PM

Re: AK mixing it up (aka PokerFink gets FPS)
 
u were pf raiser. bet the flop, everyone expects u to anyway. maybe weak lead against aggro opponent or donk who overplays hands. against nearly all 100NL players i am shoveling money into this pot on the flop. also, leading weak....half pot maybe a little more, give flush draws more of an incentive to "catch up" to ak. i personally am betting pot b/c that is what i do anyway but just an idea.


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