$11 - JJ UTG LVL2 (help settle a small dispute)
 

Settle a small dispute, what's your play? Please explain your thinking.

Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: Ready2Rumbo (915)
Seat 2: bakasama (1150)
Seat 4: LizardKing39 (1260)
Seat 5: pokrface69 (265)
Seat 6: gunit_g (730)
Seat 7: playtitleist (775)
Seat 9: Dr_Classic (1965)
Seat 10: rewagner78 (940)
pokrface69 posts small blind (15)
gunit_g posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to playtitleist [ Jh, Jd ]
playtitleist ???

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Personally I'm a fan of raising. t100 will do. With any luck, shortie in the blinds will come over top - giving you an opportunity to isolate by pushing over a LP caller of your Or.

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small raise or limp are fine here. pushing is retarded, and a big raise is worse.

explaination: its level 1 and you have a pair of jacks utg. u may be ahead now but good chance you won't be after the flop. it's an 11 and raising to 100 will get 5 callers. i think you can find better opportunites with your stack.

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small raise or limp are fine here. pushing is retarded, and a big raise is worse.

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I agree, and if someone else pushes you can always dump the hand.

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Depends on the table, but mostly, I would raise to t90-100.

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Settle a small dispute, what's your play? Please explain your thinking.

Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: Ready2Rumbo (915)
Seat 2: bakasama (1150)
Seat 4: LizardKing39 (1260)
Seat 5: pokrface69 (265)
Seat 6: gunit_g (730)
Seat 7: playtitleist (775)
Seat 9: Dr_Classic (1965)
Seat 10: rewagner78 (940)
pokrface69 posts small blind (15)
gunit_g posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to playtitleist [ Jh, Jd ]
playtitleist ???

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I pop it to 100 and call a push behind me.

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explaination: its level 1 and you have a pair of jacks utg. u may be ahead now but good chance you won't be after the flop. it's an 11 and raising to 100 will get 5 callers. i think you can find better opportunites with your stack.

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Well, it's level 2, and besides -- I don't understand why you'd want to play a premium hand for set value only OOP. Won't a good number of hands that can beat you after the flop fold to a moderate raise anyway? Or is that giving the 11s population too much credit?

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premium hand

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I think this is where the debate lies.

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I think that's giving the 11's too much credit.

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jacks are prem when you have 2-8x bb left and your on the bubble. they might as well be bullets. at this stage, they are a pair of jacks.

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Raise to 90. Whoop de doo.

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I think this is where the debate lies.

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Er, not really. JJ is like, the 4th best starting hand.

I use ProV1s.

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I like the raise to 100. I hate limping here.
And I think the raise makes it more likely that it will get folded to the shortie which will make it more likely that he will push.

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I probably limp here b/c it is eary levels and you're UTG. From LP I would probably bet 3xbb. The reason I limp is that if A-Q flops, I am likely folding this hand and getting out cheaply. If raised behind me 3x or more pf, I am also folding. If I get to see the flop cheaply and the board is all under cards (and safe) I will bet 3xbb and see what happens.

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I probably limp here b/c it is eary levels and you're UTG. From LP I would probably bet 3xbb. The reason I limp is that if A-Q flops, I am likely folding this hand and getting out cheaply. If raised behind me 3x or more pf, I am also folding. If I get to see the flop cheaply and the board is all under cards (and safe) I will bet 3xbb and see what happens.

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A bit tight against one player, no?

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I probably limp here b/c it is eary levels and you're UTG. From LP I would probably bet 3xbb. The reason I limp is that if A-Q flops, I am likely folding this hand and getting out cheaply. If raised behind me 3x or more pf, I am also folding. If I get to see the flop cheaply and the board is all under cards (and safe) I will bet 3xbb and see what happens.

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Even at the 11s, a K or Q isn't as scary on the flop when you raise and they coldcall than when you limp and they limp behind. I'd guess after raising preflop, a continuation bet is very profitable on a Qxx flop.

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I probably limp here b/c it is eary levels and you're UTG. From LP I would probably bet 3xbb. The reason I limp is that if A-Q flops, I am likely folding this hand and getting out cheaply. If raised behind me 3x or more pf, I am also folding. If I get to see the flop cheaply and the board is all under cards (and safe) I will bet 3xbb and see what happens.

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A bit tight against one player, no?

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One player??? He is UTG... there are 7 left to act!

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I probably limp here b/c it is eary levels and you're UTG. From LP I would probably bet 3xbb. The reason I limp is that if A-Q flops, I am likely folding this hand and getting out cheaply. If raised behind me 3x or more pf, I am also folding. If I get to see the flop cheaply and the board is all under cards (and safe) I will bet 3xbb and see what happens.

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Even at the 11s, a K or Q isn't as scary on the flop when you raise and they coldcall than when you limp and they limp behind. I'd guess after raising preflop, a continuation bet is very profitable on a Qxx flop.

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If you raise and are called what do you think villain has? He likely has another pocket pair OR some form of broadway hand... so when A-Q flops, it is very likely that it has helped. Sure a continuation bet could be profitable, but it could also be expensive and I am trying to not lose chips early on.

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If you raise and are called what do you think villain has? He likely has another pocket pair OR some form of broadway hand... so when A-Q flops, it is very likely that it has helped. Sure a continuation bet could be profitable, but it could also be expensive and I am trying to not lose chips early on.

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Once again I think you are giving players at the 11s too much credit. You will see alot of sooted (and unsooted) Ax's and middle connectors calling here too. Against 1-2 opponents I would continuation bet 100% of flops that didn't contain another J, against more than 2...it depends

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I probably limp here b/c it is eary levels and you're UTG. From LP I would probably bet 3xbb. The reason I limp is that if A-Q flops, I am likely folding this hand and getting out cheaply. If raised behind me 3x or more pf, I am also folding. If I get to see the flop cheaply and the board is all under cards (and safe) I will bet 3xbb and see what happens.

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A bit tight against one player, no?

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One player??? He is UTG... there are 7 left to act!

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I meant on the flop. Folding if the A-Q flops was what I was talking about.

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I probably limp here b/c it is eary levels and you're UTG. From LP I would probably bet 3xbb. The reason I limp is that if A-Q flops, I am likely folding this hand and getting out cheaply. If raised behind me 3x or more pf, I am also folding. If I get to see the flop cheaply and the board is all under cards (and safe) I will bet 3xbb and see what happens.

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A bit tight against one player, no?

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One player??? He is UTG... there are 7 left to act!

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I meant on the flop. Folding if the A-Q flops was what I was talking about.

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I might c-bet flop, but fold to any resistance

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I probably limp here b/c it is eary levels and you're UTG. From LP I would probably bet 3xbb. The reason I limp is that if A-Q flops, I am likely folding this hand and getting out cheaply. If raised behind me 3x or more pf, I am also folding. If I get to see the flop cheaply and the board is all under cards (and safe) I will bet 3xbb and see what happens.

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A bit tight against one player, no?

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One player??? He is UTG... there are 7 left to act!

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I meant on the flop. Folding if the A-Q flops was what I was talking about.

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I might c-bet flop, but fold to any resistance

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Yes, but the first guy says that he limps (so weak hands with an A-Q get in the pot) so he can fold if an A-Q flops.

Re: $11 - JJ UTG LVL2 (help settle a small dispute)
 

I'm posting this prediction before reading the other replies.

Everyone will fight. I call.

Lori

Re: $11 - JJ UTG LVL2 (help settle a small dispute)
 

Although, every hand is different, I think this was one of the better posts on the topic.

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