KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

Bay 101, $80/$160.

The whole table, except for one player, has agreed to do a round of live straddles, so the game is amped up a little bit.

Bad player who refused to straddle limps in UTG, I raise in MP with K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], unknown asian guy calls from the blind (for the regulars, I think his name is "T.R.").

3 players

Flop: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Checked to me and I bet, T.R. raises, bad player mucks, I 3-bet, he 4-bets, I 5-bet, he calls.

2 players

Turn: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

T.R. checks, I bet, he raises, I call.

2 players

River 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

T.R. bets, I call.

How did I do?

Comments on all streets appreciated.

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

I would definitely raise the river. He figures to have a flush or lower full house more than quads.

Jeff

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

By the 5th bet on the flop I think I give him credit for the flush. I really doubt he plays a flopped str8 flush that fast. A river raise is in order. Most players with a flush will be sliding money into the pot as soon as they realize it is a red card and then be very bummed when they realize it put trips on the board and face a raise.

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

I would raise this river as well. It is difficult for me to put him on a six or AA for a number of reasons. While his flop is consistent with AcAx, his preflop play isn't. Unfortunately, if he is a thinking player, raising this river is going to get you three bet by AA. Still I feel that hand is three bet almost one hundred precent of the time here. Does he ever flat call with it?

I am not concerned if he has a six. Given there is only one out, you know how unlikely it is, even given the action. So the only question I have is, does he have AA?

I raise and call the river.

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

woah dude, 1 hand beats you here vs. a decent postflop player: Ac6s.

now what hands go 5 flop bets and c'r paired turn on 3flush flop?

33/44/66/AcAmaybe/flush/straight

on the river 66 is now impossible. you still lose to AA but now beat everything else and will get called by 33/44 as well.

ive also eliminated the 77c/88c/99c b/c those may be possible but still unlikely.

raise the river imo.

Barron

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

I don't get the flop 5-bet. I like the river call because, if he is a thinking player, he must know you will either not pay off his bet or have an overpair. I don't think a good player pays off a river raise either. The question is, do you think he's a good player? I'd assume so at 80/160.

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

I don't think there is a TR. Depending on who it is, I would either call or raise the river. I think he has a big hand, so calling isn't as bad as the others think it is (AA is very likely here). He may have also missed a straight draw w/ a club, and he won't call your raise either.

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

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I don't think there is a TR. Depending on who it is, I would either call or raise the river. I think he has a big hand, so calling isn't as bad as the others think it is (AA is very likely here). He may have also missed a straight draw w/ a club, and he won't call your raise either.

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do you think he would still bet the river though with a counterfeited boat... 44/33?

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

on the flop i think villians most likely hands are 66/44/33 or a non-nut flush and if he's a wild one a pair with the Ac, probbly Ac6x.

he doesn't 6bet you on the flop so i'd rule out the nut flush (its my experience that if a player with the nuts sees a guy still wants to put action on the flop with unlimited raising they'll play along rather than "wait" till the turn).

when villian checkraises the turn he has a flush like almost never and i think its pretty bad to checkraise a six here anyways so it rally looks like quads, 44 or 33.

when the river puts in the 6, i like a raise because you are now a favorite gainst his range of hands.

also i'm kind of surprised everybody has villian on a flush. imo its much more likely that villian thinks that it is HERO who has a flush.

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

Some would, some wouldn't. Depends on the player. That's why I can't really answer this quesitn. I can tell you that it isn't a slam-dunk like the others have posted. You gonna be down there this weekend? I'm playing the tourney on Saturday.

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

raise the river...

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

on yea...forgot to mention the 2 SFs on board [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

raising the river may be bad vs. some guys and good vs. others...kinda hard to tell from here but id tend to go w/ a raise here as a coin flip default.

now calling the 3bet...ouchies...

Barron

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

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Some would, some wouldn't. Depends on the player. That's why I can't really answer this quesitn. I can tell you that it isn't a slam-dunk like the others have posted. You gonna be down there this weekend? I'm playing the tourney on Saturday.

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if villian puts hero on a flush i think he would still bet with 44/33 (though i don't know the player in question)

and no i won't be there this weekend. good luck though. we should play of these days.

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

what sane player bets the river and calls a raise with a worse hand than KK other than perhaps QQ? you obviously have an overpair so unless hes absolutely terrible hes not going to call your raise and turn over 44 for the counterfeit boat.

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

Why cant our hero have AK AQ AJ KQ clubs. He may certainly play all these hands the same way. Villian either flopped a flush or a set 99% of the time. Raise this river!

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

it looks to me like you got too many bets in with the worse hand, and too few with a better hand.

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

i agree about raising the river, though i agree it is pretty close. I would add 55 with a club a a likely holdings

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

There is a T.R. He sometimes plays 40 instead of 80. He is Vietnamese and has glasses and a moustache and is maybe 40-45 years old. (yeah, I know, that doesn't narrow it down)

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

Agreed.

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

Bad player is really really awful (he was the reason Fianchetto was in the game) and is likely to call 2 more cold if BB raises with AA. TR knows this and probably would've re-raised AA here.

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

I trust your judgement 100%. Do what Hakee says. You playing this weekend?

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

Sunday I should be down there for a little while. Saw your name on the list for Saturday. Depending upon what else I have going on I may go down there early on Sat and see whether there are any seats left.

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

Looks pretty good to me. You could consider raising the river as you have just drawn out on all flushes, straights, and sets the opponent may have flopped.

good luck.
eric

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

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Sunday I should be down there for a little while. Saw your name on the list for Saturday. Depending upon what else I have going on I may go down there early on Sat and see whether there are any seats left.

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Sat and Sun are both sold out.

As for the hand, raise the river.

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

Saturday is sold out as of when? Yesterday afternoon there were still some seats available. In any case I'll be there Sunday afternoon for a bit.

RESULTS
 

Thanks to all who responded.

Sounds like a river raise was definitely to be considered. In this case I would have lost more since I was set on showing down the hand and I would have had to call a 3-bet, painfully.

He had A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] for quads, and the better club draw.

He could play a number of hands this way, and yes, the river 6 makes it less likely mathematically that he has quads. But his flop action and turn checkraise are all logical for a 6 with a big club, and I did feel that being shown four 6's was a real possibility.

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

Saturday is sold out as of today.

http://www.bay101.com/bay101open1.html

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

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when villian checkraises the turn he has a flush like almost never and i think its pretty bad to checkraise a six here anyways so it rally looks like quads, 44 or 33.

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it looks like a pretty good spot to checkraise 64 or 63

Re: KK, 80/160 @ Bay101
 

Raising the river seems like a better idea than betting the turn. (And I would have bet the turn.)