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BeerMoney 10-21-2005 09:33 AM

Hand against Bart
 
15/30, pacific poker. $2 ante, $5 bring in.

Bring in on my immediate right, Beer calls the completion and has 666, Bart on my immediate left completes with A showing, all other cards fold, my 6's are live, his Aces are live. I call his completion.

4th street, i catch a live jack, bart pairs his doorcard with an ace [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] . What do i do?

Jeffage 10-21-2005 09:37 AM

Re: Hand against Bart
 
Call. He doesn't have to have trip aces here. He could have a buried pair or have started with three big cards. Then proceed to play well on subsequent streets. Your call should scare him if he doesn't have trips and he will probably slow down after the obligatory 5th street bets. If he keeps firing, keep calling b/c then it's a race. I'm not folding.

Jeff

BeerMoney 10-21-2005 09:40 AM

Re: Hand against Bart
 
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Your call should scare him if he doesn't have trips and he will probably slow down after the obligatory 5th street bets.
Jeff

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This is what's bad though.

Jeffage 10-21-2005 09:47 AM

Re: Hand against Bart
 
It is what it is. If you raise, he may even fold aces only. Calling is the proper play in my opinion.

Jeff

jon_1van 10-21-2005 09:52 AM

Re: Hand against Bart
 
If he indeed has AAA you are still have 25% equity.

Because he didn't need to have AA to complete (espically in a slightly larger ante game) go ahead and call down. I think folding isn't a terrible play iff (yes, iff) you caught a super dead card on 4th AND there is some reason to think it wouldn't have been A44 (or similar)

beta1607 10-21-2005 09:59 AM

Re: Hand against Bart
 
I posted a similar hand to this a while back. Given the range he is completing with here, you have to call down.

The only question is if he checks any street do you bet?

BeerMoney 10-21-2005 10:01 AM

Re: Hand against Bart
 
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I posted a similar hand to this a while back. Given the range he is completing with here, you have to call down.


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I remembered.

MRBAA 10-21-2005 12:07 PM

Re: Hand against Bart
 
Always call. If he checks any street (except maybe the river) bet.

Jeffage 10-21-2005 12:22 PM

Re: Hand against Bart
 
Actually this reminds me of a 10-20 hand I played at Taj a LONG time ago. I started with:

(6,6) 6

A few people limped, I limped and some loose guy raises with an Ace up. We ended up seeing 4th three ways.

Me: (6,6) 6 Q

Villian: (x,x) A A

Other Schmo: (x,x) J 7

Villian bet 20. Schmo calls. I raise (I figured villian was bad and wouldn't fold just aces here). Villian calls, schmo folds.

5th

Me (6,6) 6 Q 10

Villian (x,x) A A A

Ok, that sucks. He bet and I called. Look, I sucked then. But, looking back on it I figured he was bad enough that he would raise with three bigs on 3rd and obv keep firing. I just wasn't convinced he had a boat, guess you had to be there. He was shocked when I called.

6th

Hero: (6,6) 6 Q 10 Q

Villian: (x,x) A A A A

First and only time I'ver ever seen that. He bet and I folded.

RESULTS: He turns up K, 2 in the hole.

Jeff

PLOlover 10-21-2005 12:54 PM

Re: Hand against Bart
 
Small pot, I let it go even if I'm not convinced he has it.

Andy B 10-22-2005 12:32 PM

Re: Hand against Bart
 
You pay him off like an ATM. If he flinches at any point, bet.

SittingBull 10-22-2005 04:25 PM

Hello,Beer! FOLD! If u had him beat at this stage,
 
FOLDING is a small mistake. however , if he does have a set and u continue on,ur error would be MAJOR.
HappyPokering,
SittingBull
BTW,in my micro-limit games,I wouln't mind losing a few .25 just to see his hand.
However,when ur playing at 15/30 or higher,FOLDING in this case is USUALLY ur BEST option.

BeerMoney 10-22-2005 05:22 PM

Results..
 

I folded. Bartholow claims he didn't have it. Personally, i think he had quads.

Sittingbull, when you read the opinions of Jeffage and Andy, do you still think that folding is the right play?

One reason why I think I should have called is cause bart is an observant player who knows I usually limp with live 3 flushes. Therefore, he may have been making a move to pick up a decent pot on fifth. And, he also knows I border on weak-tightness sometimes.

Thanks for everyone's thoughts.

Bartholow 10-22-2005 05:52 PM

Re: Results..
 
I think you are overthinking things. I raised with a live 3-flush with a couple of big cards in this hand. I wasn't trying to bully you or anything, I just wanted to raise for the usual reasons (though on pacific you don't thin players much, but you do build nice pots). Then I hit another ace and that's an automatic bet. It's true that if you had called you wouldn't have gotten much action later probably...

Andy B 10-23-2005 12:15 PM

Re: Hello,Beer! FOLD! If u had him beat at this stage,
 
No, if Bart doesn't have trips, then Beer would be making a big FTOP mistake by folding. If Bart has trips, Beer is about a 3:1 dog. If Bart has only two pair, however, Beer is a 3:1 favorite. If Bart started with a three-flush or AKQ or something, Beer is an even bigger favorite. I suspect that Bart's range of raising hands is sufficiently broad that Beer needs to call down.


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