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Big_Jim 10-19-2005 07:08 PM

F-In River: $3/$6 UB NL
 
Hero is sitting with about $650 or so. I just got stacked about an orbit or so ago when I re-raised about 20% of my stack PF with AA, and a guy flopped a set of nines on me.

I have played several pots since then, and have not had to show down my cards. It may appear as though I'm tilting.

Villian has been playing fairly well, and hasn't done anything too out of line. He has been caught bluffing a few times, but only in small pots. He has made a few very marginal call-downs on aggressive players.

I'm UTG + 1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

UTG folds. Hero raises to $24. Folds to Villian on button who calls (Covers me). Blinds fold.

Flop: ($57) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="red">Hero bets $50</font>. Button calls.

Turn: ($157) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="red">Hero bets $140</font>. Villian calls.

River: ($437) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero .... ?

I have $436 behind.

Block bet?
Check/call a decent bet?
Something more drastic?

Thoughts on all streets appreciated.

Edited to add remaining stacks

10-19-2005 07:19 PM

Re: F-In River: $3/$6 UB NL
 
villian have you covered?

9cao 10-19-2005 07:21 PM

Re: F-In River: $3/$6 UB NL
 
Tough spot. I was thinking bet $200 and fold to a raise but that sounds pretty crappy folding for like 5 to 1. So I don't think blocking can really work here, especially since a thinking opponent could sense a weaker bet and try to move you off (but hey, I guess that wouldn't be too bad if you decide to call down).

I am thinking check-call misses some value (what happens when he pushes?) and all-in would be tough for KQ type hands to call. So I guess I say bet $200, call the reraise and type NH. My second option would be to bet something stupid like $6 and try to pick off a bluff.

The other streets look fine.

Big_Jim 10-19-2005 07:22 PM

Re: F-In River: $3/$6 UB NL
 
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villian have you covered?

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UTG folds. Hero raises to $24. Folds to Villian on button who calls (Covers me). Blinds fold.

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Yup.

Big Dave D 10-19-2005 07:48 PM

Re: F-In River: $3/$6 UB NL
 
Bet $250 for value. If he is as you describe then it seems unlikely he had a flush or str8 draw. He almost surely can't bet if you check tho.

gl

dd

Big_Jim 10-19-2005 07:49 PM

Re: F-In River: $3/$6 UB NL
 
Am I calling a raise? I'm getting like 6:1.

10-19-2005 07:49 PM

Re: F-In River: $3/$6 UB NL
 
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Villian has been playing fairly well, and hasn't done anything too out of line. He has been caught bluffing a few times, but only in small pots. He has made a few very marginal call-downs on aggressive players.

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based on that I think you're ahead. KT shouldn't call EP raiser PF if he's playing well and something like JTc or T9c shouldn't really call that large of a raise heads up. Can rule out other club draws since you were betting heavily and the A and Q are both out. I think you're good here. I like a push to have him make a marginal call. I think you miss value checking. If you make a blocking bet you're pretty commited there if he raises and has you beat.

soah 10-19-2005 08:02 PM

Re: F-In River: $3/$6 UB NL
 
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It may appear as though I'm tilting.

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He has made a few very marginal call-downs on aggressive players.

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Push?

DyessMan89 10-19-2005 08:13 PM

Re: F-In River: $3/$6 UB NL
 
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It may appear as though I'm tilting.

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He has made a few very marginal call-downs on aggressive players.

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Push?

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Agreed. I think you answered your own question.

Big_Jim 10-19-2005 08:14 PM

Results
 
I push.

He calls with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

MHING

Big_Jim 10-19-2005 08:18 PM

Re: F-In River: $3/$6 UB NL
 
The reason that I thought that this hand was interesting is because the ultimate scare card hit on the river.

If my hand is good... it's pretty tough for a worse hand to call.

If it's not... I only have fold equity against KTo, and even then, I probably won't get a fold.

I suppose that villian having a tendancy of calling down too much makes the push okay, but I'm still not sure.

10-20-2005 01:41 AM

Re: F-In River: $3/$6 UB NL
 
I'll preface this by saying I'm fairly new to NL cash games(limit player), but do you ever consider overbetting that turn once he calls the flop bet? The board is fairly coordinated with two draws out there so I wouldn't hate taking it down there and I wouldn't mind calling all in if the overbet entices him to try and semi-bluff me out of the pot with an OESD or flush draw. It might be because I'm new, but there are a lot of cards that I hate to see on the river and have to play OOP.

Edit - Forgot to say I'd try betting 200 on the turn

RDWallace 10-20-2005 02:52 AM

Re: F-In River: $3/$6 UB NL
 
The Ac did not help your hand, it weakened it. It's very unlikely that villain would hold off on two streets from raising with a set on such a draw heavy board. I don't think you have fold equity against KT or a baby flush in most situations so I like a check in this spot. If he bets you have a tough decision: He's probably aware that he is betting into a probable 2 pair/set, making this a suboptimal spot to bluff unless he puts you on exactly KK. Honestly the way he played it looks a lot like some combo st/flush draw and I would cautiously check and reevaluate if he bets. I like your PF, flop and turn bets, although I might consider a C/R all in on the turn against a tricky opponent.

Michael Jensen 10-20-2005 03:00 AM

Re: F-In River: $3/$6 UB NL
 
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JooWish622 10-20-2005 11:19 AM

Re: F-In River: $3/$6 UB NL
 
solid post wallace


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