HUGE laydown from UB $109 last night.. Final table with 6 left
 

I expect to get flamed for this (I already sort of have, but they are wrong) but I KNOW that he had AA or KK. He later claimed to have KK....but ok I don't need to lose all my #@%@^ money everytime one of these assholes min raises a huge pair. Of course he might be lying but based on playing with him for over an hour, everything suggested to me that he did have AA or KK.

In any case I ended up getting first place and I feel quite strongly that if I called this allin on the flop I would have come in 6th. Enjoy! And please when you respond, don't forget that I've been playing at this table with these guys for over an hour.

I usually hate being so strict and assuming people have AA-KK because they min raise, but this was a special case....I am very sure that he had a big pair.



Hand #9090533-50 at Tue10pmA-Final (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
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Started at 19/Oct/05 02:40:08

stalrock is at seat 0 with 103100.
BIGWOLF is at seat 1 with 23330.
4ofaKindBud is at seat 3 with 161080.
phat_cat is at seat 5 with 157610.
curtainz is at seat 6 with 56570.
Screwy_Lewy is at seat 9 with 58310.
The button is at seat 0.

stalrock posts ante (300).
BIGWOLF posts ante (300).
4ofaKindBud posts ante (300).
phat_cat posts ante (300).
curtainz posts ante (300).
Screwy_Lewy posts ante (300).
4ofaKindBud posts the small blind of 1500.
phat_cat posts the big blind of 3000.

stalrock: -- --
BIGWOLF: -- --
4ofaKindBud: -- --
phat_cat: -- --
curtainz: Qs Qc
Screwy_Lewy: -- --

Pre-flop:

curtainz raises to 9000. Screwy_Lewy re-raises to
15000. stalrock folds. BIGWOLF folds. 4ofaKindBud
folds. phat_cat folds. curtainz calls.

Flop (board: Td 3d 6s):

curtainz checks. Screwy_Lewy bets 36300. curtainz
folds. Screwy_Lewy is returned 36300 (uncalled).



Hand #9090533-50 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
Screwy_Lewy wins 36300.
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Re: HUGE laydown from UB $109 last night..
 

bugstud told me about this hand last night. I came in 16th in this tourney (I busted KQ v A6 at your table). I had played with screwy for a while when he was a huge stack, and seen him reraise preflop exactly once. I don't know if I have that fold in me, but I certainly don't think given the player and the situation I can fault you for it.

Re: HUGE laydown from UB $109 last night..
 

Oh, what was your handle? Holy crap I hope you werent my nemesis. There was this one player who acted after me that was an absolute nightmare, but I got lucky and caught them in a blind battle and won a huge pot.

Re: HUGE laydown from UB $109 last night..
 

I wasnt. Im anakinso, you doubled me up when I was super short AQ v my AK.

Re: HUGE laydown from UB $109 last night..
 

Yes I remember that, it was absurd that you had AK I remember, because you were supershort and could have basically anything1

Re: HUGE laydown from UB $109 last night.. Final table with 6 left
 

I'm not faulting your play, but I wonder what the decision points were here.

-As soon as he raises pre-flop, are you playing for set value only?

-Does the texture of the flop change things? What if an ace flops?

-Would you have called a smaller flop bet?

-What is your line if he checks behind on the flop?

He did play it like someone who really did not want to see a turn card.

Re: HUGE laydown from UB $109 last night.. Final table with 6 left
 

You played with him for an hour, so we can't really help you here.

Re: HUGE laydown from UB $109 last night.. Final table with 6 left
 

[ QUOTE ]
I'm not faulting your play, but I wonder what the decision points were here.

-As soon as he raises pre-flop, are you playing for set value only?

-Does the texture of the flop change things? What if an ace flops?

-Would you have called a smaller flop bet?

-What is your line if he checks behind on the flop?

He did play it like someone who really did not want to see a turn card.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hard to say, I could feel the AA/KK jumping out at me from both his preflop and postflop bet. I called preflop for set value and for the hope that I might get some kind of tell to make me change my mind about the strength of his hand.

If he checks the flop it would depend how I felt about his check...how quickly he made it etc.

Re: HUGE laydown from UB $109 last night.. Final table with 6 left
 

i'm always a fan of going with your read, right or wrong. so, kudos. i don't know if i could go with my read on that board.

Re: HUGE laydown from UB $109 last night.. Final table with 6 left
 

well played.

Re: HUGE laydown from UB $109 last night.. Final table with 6 left
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I'm not faulting your play, but I wonder what the decision points were here.

-As soon as he raises pre-flop, are you playing for set value only?

-Does the texture of the flop change things? What if an ace flops?

-Would you have called a smaller flop bet?

-What is your line if he checks behind on the flop?

He did play it like someone who really did not want to see a turn card.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hard to say, I could feel the AA/KK jumping out at me from both his preflop and postflop bet. I called preflop for set value and for the hope that I might get some kind of tell to make me change my mind about the strength of his hand.

If he checks the flop it would depend how I felt about his check...how quickly he made it etc.

[/ QUOTE ]

What if the flop had come monotone undercards and you held the Q of that suit? Would you still fold?

Re: HUGE laydown from UB $109 last night.. Final table with 6 left
 

I had a similar fold in the last hand I posted.. except I did a terrible job wording the post and title, and made the huge mistake of saying I had no read (talking about post-flop play), where I actually had as good of a read as I could have on the guy as far as his hesitation and timing preflop and action postflop , and was right (not being results oriented, I called it an "easy fold" which it clearly wasn't, it was the opposite from the -no read- situation I described, but was much different with the actual read I felt I had and failed to describe correctly). Not trying to justify that play, as it may have been too weak-tight, but my read was correct, and I ended up going deep in the tourney because of it. I think I'm capable of folding in a spot like this if I have a strong enough read, and I'm willing to go with my read even if it looks ultra-weak/tight or ultra-reckless at the time, or makes me look like an idiot.

Re: HUGE laydown from UB $109 last night.. Final table with 6 left
 

Probably not, no.

Re: HUGE laydown from UB $109 last night.. Final table with 6 left
 

I guess the interesting thing is that if the board had been all one suit, and your read says he has AA/KK, then he has a 50% chance of being ahead of your draw too right? So I guess it shouldn't change things that that much. Or does it?

Also, if you're that confident in your read, I dunno if going from a 90/10 to a 40/60 is really that that significant. Bottom line is you're still behind (albeit more so) pretty significantly. Especially considering the earlier point that he might have your draw beat.

Re: HUGE laydown from UB $109 last night.. Final table with 6 left
 

pot is huge though...