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bholdr 10-18-2005 09:28 PM

What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
Just getting into tourneys, and since i don't really know what questions to be asking yet, maybe thiss'll help me (and others?) hmmm...

What was the best peice of tournament advice that you've ever been given?

for me, it was: "Be aggressive on the bubble if you have an avarage or big stack- it's a great time to steal blinds and target the final table instead of just making the money- people tend to play scared at that stage and the blinds get relitivly big."

before i read that, i had been far too catious around the bubble and had been barely getting to the money, with very few chips and a correspondingly small chance of scoring a big win.

so... best advice you've been given... whatcha got? comments on the one i posted?

Allinlife 10-18-2005 09:31 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
outlast 90% then catch massive cards

woodguy 10-18-2005 09:36 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
Bubble aggression is one that I still try to work on, so I really like that advice.

Personally, becoming proficient at the short stack and making timely pushes over a PFR (with or without air) when I have 12-15BB's has made all the difference in the world to my game.

Regards,
Woodguy

bholdr 10-18-2005 09:37 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
"outlast 90% then catch massive cards"

c'mon, now...

kinda like... "there is really no substitute for catching cards."- the best stud/8 advice i ever got that didn't do anything at all to help my game..

or, are you saying that outlasting 90% of the feild is the skill part, then you ...need to get cards? hmmm?

bholdr 10-18-2005 09:39 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
"Personally, becoming proficient at the short stack and making timely pushes over a PFR (with or without air) when I have 12-15BB's has made all the difference in the world to my game."

hmmm... this is intresting. can you link me to a thread discussing this topic? i can honestly admit that i have never even thought about that subject in any kind of detail, i geuss i'll also need to work on improving short stack play.

pfkaok 10-18-2005 09:54 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
well, it works pretty well when you're on button or in blinds, and there's an openraise from LP or LMP that could likley be a steal. if you have 12-15BB its a pretty good time to push if you have anything reasonable.

if there's a decent chance the player is on a total steal you increase your stack a ton, but they'll still call you pretty loose since your stack isn't too big, so if you got something like AT or KQ you might actually be a favorite when you get called. so its just like a really profitable semibluff if you don't overuse it.

SossMan 10-18-2005 09:54 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
if you consistantly got all in with a 55% favorite, you would be the best tournament player ever.

woodguy 10-18-2005 10:01 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
Not really sure if I know of a ready thread on the subject...have you checked the threads in the sticky? (not being an ass, just asking [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img])

Might be a good subject to start a thread with if you don't find what you want.

Regards,
Woodguy

JonLines 10-18-2005 10:10 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
If you’re playing big MTT's, don't get clever until the bubble!! I will repeat, until at least two thirds of the entrants have gone, do not try and get clever! The amount of times ive gone out trying to be smart when the tourney is still heaving with fish. The flip side of this is, push good hands hard near the beginning, the great thing about tournaments is it’s hard for people to know if they are any good or not, in cash, a fish figures is out quickly, he goes broke. In a tournament, it’s harder to tell because statistically you win so infrequently anyway.

pfkaok 10-18-2005 10:42 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
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if you consistantly got all in with a 55% favorite, you would be the best tournament player ever.

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yeah. so many people refuse to believe this. but i think that once i finally accepted, and applying this idea was about when i finally started to get decent at MTTs.

10-18-2005 11:08 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
It was something someone posted here about something in HoH.

"When you get a good hand early lay the whip to it."

Let me tell you at 5$ sng's & micro MTT's you can do quite well with that ideal.

10-18-2005 11:10 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
I would also like to add:

"Dont play with scared money."

If you are afraid to lose the money you are playing with, you will lose it more often then not.

bmxreed36 10-18-2005 11:35 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
Don't get too crazy with top pair.

10-18-2005 11:40 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
I've recently had to remind myself:

"Pocket Jacks are not the nuts."

Probably not the best advice I ever received, but it's the single sentence I've been trying to drive into my head recently, so I'll repeat it here.

10-18-2005 11:58 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
I don't know if it's advice, but i read it and it's helped me a good bit.

1. You'll never get a 2nd chance at this tournament, so be patient

2. No tournament has ever been won in the first 3 hours of play.

LethalRose 10-19-2005 12:03 AM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
1) patience

2) You cant win every pot, dont try

10-19-2005 12:11 AM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
Every pot you're in can knock you out, so be selectively aggressive

bweiser8311962 10-19-2005 12:20 AM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Every pot you're in can knock you out, so be selectively aggressive


[/ QUOTE ]

Great advice. I was in a tourney the other night and had A/10o on the button. Folded around to me and I raised. Got called by the BB. Flop was QQ10, so I sent out a feeler bet. Turn was a 10. I've got a fullhouse. Checked to me, I bet and in the process pot-committed myself and he put me all-in and turned over AQ.

Pat Southern 10-19-2005 12:24 AM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
Fossilman- play the situation not the hand.

10-19-2005 12:34 AM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
[ QUOTE ]

"Pocket Jacks are not the nuts."


[/ QUOTE ]

Yep, that hand has cost me more early tournament chips than any other.

On a similar piece of hand advice, don't overplay AQ, but don't underplay it either. It's still strong.

Will

SossMan 10-19-2005 02:10 AM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
[ QUOTE ]
1) patience

2) You cant win every pot, dont try

[/ QUOTE ]

these two have been big for me lately.

mscags 10-19-2005 02:16 AM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
[ QUOTE ]
there is really no substitute for catching cards

[/ QUOTE ]

Good ole Andy B [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

ansky451 10-19-2005 02:27 AM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Fossilman- play the situation not the hand.

[/ QUOTE ]

We have a winner.

I was going to say something along these lines, you beat me to it.

SumZero 10-19-2005 03:02 AM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
I'm torn between:

"In the long run we're all dead"

and

"If it weren't for luck I'd win everytime".

In all seriousness I think the best single MTT advice I've received is that it takes forever to get into the long run to know anything about your skill level in MTT and that the downswings, even for a great player, can be really, really big.

tdomeski 10-19-2005 03:12 AM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
"get rich or die tryin"

housenuts 10-19-2005 03:48 AM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
"all you gotta do is double up and then triple it"

it's that simple

Cactus Jack 10-19-2005 07:23 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
We're born broke and we die broke and everything in between is variance.

10-19-2005 07:58 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
To live you must be willing to die.

10-19-2005 08:04 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I don't know if it's advice, but i read it and it's helped me a good bit.

1. You'll never get a 2nd chance at this tournament, so be patient

2. No tournament has ever been won in the first 3 hours of play.

[/ QUOTE ]

1. Meh.

2. Untrue.

10-19-2005 08:19 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
"Poker tournament are not so much won, as they are stolen" - I remember reading this in one of Greg's posts but I'm not sure if it is an original quote.

TakenItEasy 10-19-2005 08:25 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
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if you consistantly got all in with a 55% favorite, you would be the best tournament player ever.

[/ QUOTE ]

If you consistantly got all in with a 55% favorite, you're playing to tight.

Advice I kind of like "You have to be willing to loose in order to win"

SossMan 10-19-2005 08:45 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
if you consistantly got all in with a 55% favorite, you would be the best tournament player ever.

[/ QUOTE ]

If you consistantly got all in with a 55% favorite, you're playing to tight.

Advice I kind of like "You have to be willing to loose in order to win"

[/ QUOTE ]

you have issues w/ your o's.

TakenItEasy 10-19-2005 09:18 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
if you consistantly got all in with a 55% favorite, you would be the best tournament player ever.

[/ QUOTE ]

If you consistantly got all in with a 55% favorite, you're playing to tight.

Advice I kind of like "You have to be willing to loose in order to win"

[/ QUOTE ]

you have issues w/ your o's.

[/ QUOTE ]

Tooo true.

10-19-2005 09:22 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Advice I kind of like "You have to be willing to loose in order to win"

[/ QUOTE ]

I think the quote is... "In order to live you must be willing to die." Amir Vahedi(sp?)

AtticusFinch 10-19-2005 11:35 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
This is not generalized advice, but rather advice for a long-time SNG player switching to MTTS:

Be more willing to play speculative hands like suited connectors early when it's cheap.

10-19-2005 11:36 PM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
Don't get into a big pot without a big hand.

A_PLUS 10-20-2005 12:36 AM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
"You can't always wait for the pretty ones"
-TC aka SeaBiscuit

locutus2002 10-20-2005 02:23 AM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
My advice is that: you probably don't fully understand the advice you have received.

One piece of advice that I don't fully understand is paraphrased from the movie rounders:

"Doyle Brunson once said that the most important thing in NL Holdem was to put a decision to a player for all his chips."
Matt Damon

iggy 10-20-2005 02:24 AM

Re: What is the best single peice of tourney advice you\'ve been given?
 
"The only excuse for being broke is being in jail..."

either that or:
"it's a marathon, not a sprint."


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