6max - Difference NL200 and NL400?
 

I'm taking a shoot at NL 6max, its my second time. Normally I'm a full ring NL-player.

I have done well at 6max NL100 and NL200.

Now I have played my first 5k hands at NL400 6max and I'm only breakeven (in fact some few dollars back). The sample of 5k hands is not so very large so it dont says so much about my results.

I think I have seen people do a lot of misstakes at NL400, but it's really not feels so good to say it, when I dont have proved it by my own profit.

What do you say about the difference of the NL200 games and the NL400 in 6max? Is NL400 much harder to beat?


/Pug

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In my experience, there is a much higher amount of aggression in the 2/4 than the 1/2 6-max games. People are also more likely to take a card off on the flop in position with air just to take it away on the turn. While there are a lot of terrible LAGs in the 1/2 (making bluffs and overbets at absurd times when they either cannot possibly have the hand they're representing or can't possibly have anything else), the LAGs in the 2/4 are, on the whole, smarter. Their lines present a more cohesive picture of something they are trying to represent and they're better at picking their spots so you have to make good reads and some pretty marginal calls on the end. You can no longer count on Joe Maniac bluffing 4 barrels into the nuts to turn a profit (hyperbole, but you see what I'm saying).

There are still weak spots and the player pool on both Party and the skin networks (don't know if that's where you play or not) overlaps a good deal so, if you are having difficulty, either put more effort into table selection or cut down on the number of tables you are playing and work on your player reads.

Good luck at the tables.

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Ask in the high stakes forum you probably get more answers.

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Ask in the high stakes forum you probably get more answers.

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I disagree. 2/4 is not appropriate for the MHSNL board in the opinion of many posters both there and here.

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Ask in the high stakes forum you probably get more answers.

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I disagree. 2/4 is not appropriate for the MHSNL board in the opinion of many posters both there and here.

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I think NL $400 is cut-off for this forum and it makes sense. There are quite a few posters who play in both NL $200 and NL $400 who can answer this. I am still trying to get acclimated to NL $200, but one day I will be able to answer this.

Happy Birthday Ghaz [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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The majority of the players here do not play 400$ buy in games, the majority of the players there have been through the limits and can give a good answer.... or he can take the 1 answer he got here before this thread gets off the front page and hope it is right. My guess would be the majority of the 400$ buy in players are reading the other forum more than this one.

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The majority of the players here do not play 400$ buy in games, the majority of the players there have been through the limits and can give a good answer.... or he can take the 1 answer he got here and hopes it is right.

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a sizable population of MHNL has forgotten how $400 NL operates in my opinion.

look for TWP, wtfsvi, Ghazban, xorbie for advice on 400nl operates.

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I haven't play very much at NL200 at party, but my experience is that it's much easyer to get a read on someone at nl400. The game is much tougher at nl400 and the players that comes in playing ABC or supertight don't seems make good success if the table doesn't have one or two big fishes.

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The majority of the players here do not play 400$ buy in games, the majority of the players there have been through the limits and can give a good answer.... or he can take the 1 answer he got here and hopes it is right.

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You are correct that most players here don't play that game but there are quite a few who do (or have) and they are people that would give excellent answers as they've only recently started playing there (people like TWP, xorbie, wtfsvi, et al) and have a good perspective on exactly what the differences are.

The primary reason I'd prefer he not post the question in the other forum is that it will likely be moved back here anyway by the mod or it will be ignored. These threads have been posted there in the past (specifically, the jump from 1/2 to 2/4) and have gotten little to no response. Even threads about moving from 5/10 to 10/20 don't get much discussion there. General questions about the mid and high stakes games tend to be difficult to answer as those games vary greatly based on who is sitting.

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Thanks-- I am now officially older than dirt.

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Happy Birthday Ghaz [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Thanks-- I am now officially older than dirt.

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Excellent ... and how old is dirt ?

Re: 6max - Difference NL200 and NL400?
 

Thanks for answers.

I have the same impression about NL400 6max. More agressivness and not so many total maniacs and bad players as it is at NL200.


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People are also more likely to take a card off on the flop in position with air just to take it away on the turn

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This one has been a pain for me. How do you handle this play? Reads I guess. Do you often shoat a barrel at the turn to? Normally I really dont like that, since pot gets bigger and bigger and soon I have to show my A high if he dont folds.

Some more questions to all that played at both levels..

Did your winrate go down when you moved to NL400?

Did you changed your play when you moved up?

Are you doing a lot of 'moves' or are you mostly trying to play solid poker and wait for the results to come?

// Pug

Re: 6max - Difference NL200 and NL400?
 

Thanks for the advice about the high stakes forum, Scrapperdog.

Often they dont like that people posts a NL400-hand so I guess a NL200 vs NL400 would be unapricated there. Anyway, thanks!

//Pug

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Yeam Happy Birthday! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I am now officially older than dirt.

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Hmm, for myself I'm older then old dirt. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

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Thanks for answers.

I have the same impression about NL400 6max. More agressivness and not so many total maniacs and bad players as it is at NL200.


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People are also more likely to take a card off on the flop in position with air just to take it away on the turn

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This one has been a pain for me. How do you handle this play? Reads I guess. Do you often shoat a barrel at the turn to? Normally I really dont like that, since pot gets bigger and bigger and soon I have to show my A high if he dont folds.

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I do this based on feel so I don't know how usefully I can answer it. If a specific player is often calling me on the flop then betting the turn if I check to him, I will checkraise him with a wider range on the turn. If he lays down, I know he's probably got nothing (even in this game, people just don't seem to fold to turn checkraises as often as they ought to with any kind of legitimate hand/draw). I'll also mix in some two-barrel continuation bets and see what he does then. A lot of the time, those guys are paying enough attention to the other players that they'll notice I'm going to put them to decisions when they try that play on me and they'll often reserve it for the weaker players (despite the gloom and doom remarks I've made, there are definitely still fish at this level).

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Some more questions to all that played at both levels..

Did your winrate go down when you moved to NL400?

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Mine actually went up because I had a lot of hands at the 1/2 level before I really knew what I was doing. Then I hit a long downswing and that, coupled with a need to withdraw money for other reasons, has dropped me back to the 1/2. I play the 2/4 sometimes but its not my primary game right now (I'm pretty sure I can beat it; I just don't have enough of a cushion bankroll-wise to feel comfortable there).

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Did you changed your play when you moved up?

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At first, I played very tightly because that's what I tend to do in unfamiliar situations. I didn't have the copius notes and stats I had on the 1/2 regulars so I tried to play small pots where I could so I could see what sorts of hands these guys were playing (and also to avoid any big losses that might've made it psychologically difficult to continue in the game).

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Are you doing a lot of 'moves' or are you mostly trying to play solid poker and wait for the results to come?

// Pug

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I play poker. Sometimes making a move is appropriate; sometimes it isn't. I think going into a game with the mindset of "I need to make some sophisticated moves here" is a good way to go broke.

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Thanks for answers.

I have the same impression about NL400 6max. More agressivness and not so many total maniacs and bad players as it is at NL200.


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People are also more likely to take a card off on the flop in position with air just to take it away on the turn

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This one has been a pain for me. How do you handle this play? Reads I guess. Do you often shoat a barrel at the turn to? Normally I really dont like that, since pot gets bigger and bigger and soon I have to show my A high if he dont folds.

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I do this based on feel so I don't know how usefully I can answer it. If a specific player is often calling me on the flop then betting the turn if I check to him, I will checkraise him with a wider range on the turn. If he lays down, I know he's probably got nothing (even in this game, people just don't seem to fold to turn checkraises as often as they ought to with any kind of legitimate hand/draw). I'll also mix in some two-barrel continuation bets and see what he does then. A lot of the time, those guys are paying enough attention to the other players that they'll notice I'm going to put them to decisions when they try that play on me and they'll often reserve it for the weaker players (despite the gloom and doom remarks I've made, there are definitely still fish at this level).

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Some more questions to all that played at both levels..

Did your winrate go down when you moved to NL400?

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Mine actually went up because I had a lot of hands at the 1/2 level before I really knew what I was doing. Then I hit a long downswing and that, coupled with a need to withdraw money for other reasons, has dropped me back to the 1/2. I play the 2/4 sometimes but its not my primary game right now (I'm pretty sure I can beat it; I just don't have enough of a cushion bankroll-wise to feel comfortable there).

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Did you changed your play when you moved up?

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At first, I played very tightly because that's what I tend to do in unfamiliar situations. I didn't have the copius notes and stats I had on the 1/2 regulars so I tried to play small pots where I could so I could see what sorts of hands these guys were playing (and also to avoid any big losses that might've made it psychologically difficult to continue in the game).

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Are you doing a lot of 'moves' or are you mostly trying to play solid poker and wait for the results to come?

// Pug

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I play poker. Sometimes making a move is appropriate; sometimes it isn't. I think going into a game with the mindset of "I need to make some sophisticated moves here" is a good way to go broke.

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good post.