waiting on an angel
 

fold, call, fold, fold, me $90 with AsKs, fold, fold, regular makes it $250 from the BB, limper folds, i call. regular is on the loose/aggressive side for a regular, which means he's still fairly tight.

flop is Qd-Js-9s. check check.
turn is the 5c. check check.
river is the 2d. he bets $200 and i fold.

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standard.

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that 200 bet looks like he really really wanted a call, and is this 5-10/10-20 [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Looks like you got to see your monster draw for free, and what are you doing when the 5 or Q of spades rolls off on the river and he leads into it for ~200?

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Why can't he have KK and be genuinely worried that he's crushed?

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Me might... but it's gonna cost us a lot to move him off his hand....

He has QQ here a large percentage of the time.

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Me might... but it's gonna cost us a lot to move him off his hand....

He has QQ here a large percentage of the time.

[/ QUOTE ]if by large, you mean very very rarely, i agree.

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if i knew what the stack sizes were i might say something like "fold preflop when reraised" or "good checks".

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nh.

Would really suck to be check/raised here, especially on the turn.

I'd need to see stack sizes to know if I liked bet/3-bet.... and the guy would have to have a pretty wide range PF here and be capable of overplaying KK or worse in this spot.

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Then why are we checking?

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Then why are we checking?

[/ QUOTE ]the other guy has KK and is going to call!
KK=goood.

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Aren't we a favorite against KK and other one pair hands?

Shouldn't we be building a pot? All the cards that improve us are scare cards.

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~2k both

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the guy is on the tight side and 3 bet out of the blinds.

his range is prob 99-AA with maybe AKs.

with that flop, he's not folding, and may possibly move in 1010, certainly 99, JJ, QQ and he folds AK most likely.

and gl getting him off KK/AA. i mean, you might, but you arent in amazing shape if they do call with any of those hands.

this is a very easy check behind hand i think.

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I don't know if this is party, or stars or whatever, but if it's party, how often do you think you win/lose money when calling a 3bet with AK? Unless the player is crazy I think it's a losing play against most "regulars".

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I don't know if this is party, or stars or whatever, but if it's party, how often do you think you win/lose money when calling a 3bet with AK? Unless the player is crazy I think it's a losing play against most "regulars".

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very interesting...

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I don't know if this is party, or stars or whatever, but if it's party, how often do you think you win/lose money when calling a 3bet with AK? Unless the player is crazy I think it's a losing play against most "regulars".

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very interesting...

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i would have said no two months ago, but varience is catching up to me and i hit several A high flops against their AA, so im guessing its prob -EV with AKo against regs and very very close with AKs

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I don't know if this is party, or stars or whatever, but if it's party, how often do you think you win/lose money when calling a 3bet with AK? Unless the player is crazy I think it's a losing play against most "regulars".

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very interesting...

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i would have said no two months ago, but varience is catching up to me and i hit several A high flops against their AA, so im guessing its prob -EV with AKo against regs and very very close with AKs

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most of the time, in position I call this preflop and play it exactly like OP.....out of position, I fold or reraise...

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and your the same person who raises with A10o... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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i often fold

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it's different when you are dictating the action vs following.

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I'm curious what limits do you play and is it live or online?

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and your the same person who raises with A10o... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]hi outdrwn.
you dont know how to play. at all. shutup.
bye.

Re: waiting on an angel
 

I agree that it is a check behind, as I said in my earlier posts, I was just curious what our flawlesses logic was. Mine involved villian having a monster hand here (I thought, although I do not play this game) some fairly large percentage of the time.

Although.. I do think that if re-raiser flopped a set here, he has to lead this flop... but many players whom I play against do not play this way.

I like your logic, though.

What do we do if opponent is known to have a much wider range?

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im saying its real unlikely aftetr he checks fourth... on the flop, yes, QQ is certainly possible.