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10-15-2005 02:59 AM

Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
Hello all,

I am here not to make threats, lies, or purposely arbertrate Pokerstars site integrity but listed below is an explanation of how ive come to a conclusion that Pokerstars is indeed not legitimate and in fact has hundreds of employees and software programmers scamming from the innocent players.

After 3 years of recorded hand histories, betting patterns, chat, and other related aspects to the game, I submitted all this information to a personal friend whom is a graduate from MIT. I will not post his name as he requested to keep his identity from this issue.

What he did was compile all the hands and ran a statistical analysis of these hands(1,345,978 to be exact) and found that the probabilities that resulted in the wins/losses of these hands were in fact 21.9% in difference then in actual probable odds. 21.9% May not seem like a large # but when you multiply this number by 1 million you can see the amount of hands this relates to and the amount of money lost in these hands.

I also had him carefully research and study the betting patterns of all these hands and how it correlated to the results of these hands. You will be amazed at what he discovered. Not only does he conclude that there are inside players workin for pokerstars but he also states that they use PROGRAMMED BOTS with a very high effecient A.I.(artificial intelligence)

I know most of you have heard of these so called "bots" and in fact there are places we know that use them but I will not bring there names into this for site protection. What I'm gettin at is he concludes Pokerstars with the billions of dollars in revenue has the resources to be able to pull off this scam with hi tech programmers, anti-fraud marketing campaigns, deposit bonuses, etc etc. They have the world in their hands, and being that party poker is a big competitor it onlys make sense that these greedy bastards would rob every penny they can get their hands on!

So in closing this, beware and the next time you ask yourself how did I just lose with AA to 23 os all in preflop, remember this post.

Best of Luck,

Riggedpokerstars

Python49 10-15-2005 03:07 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
YSSCKY

I win.

PsYcHo-ScHnAuZeR 10-15-2005 03:09 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
As owner of one of those bots, I would appreciate it if you would stop trying to scare away my business. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

A_Junglen 10-15-2005 03:24 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
I got some new flanel bed sheets, they're nice and warm.

Synergistic Explosions 10-15-2005 03:26 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
[ QUOTE ]
I know most of you have heard of these so called "bots" and in fact there are places we know that use them but I will not bring there names into this for site protection.

[/ QUOTE ]


Nice to see you protecting sites that use bots.

Alex/Mugaaz 10-15-2005 03:35 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
[ QUOTE ]
Hello all,

I am here not to make threats, lies, or purposely arbertrate Pokerstars site integrity but listed below is an explanation of how ive come to a conclusion that Pokerstars is indeed not legitimate and in fact has hundreds of employees and software programmers scamming from the innocent players.

After 3 years of recorded hand histories, betting patterns, chat, and other related aspects to the game, I submitted all this information to a personal friend whom is a graduate from MIT. I will not post his name as he requested to keep his identity from this issue.

What he did was compile all the hands and ran a statistical analysis of these hands(1,345,978 to be exact) and found that the probabilities that resulted in the wins/losses of these hands were in fact 21.9% in difference then in actual probable odds. 21.9% May not seem like a large # but when you multiply this number by 1 million you can see the amount of hands this relates to and the amount of money lost in these hands.

I also had him carefully research and study the betting patterns of all these hands and how it correlated to the results of these hands. You will be amazed at what he discovered. Not only does he conclude that there are inside players workin for pokerstars but he also states that they use PROGRAMMED BOTS with a very high effecient A.I.(artificial intelligence)

I know most of you have heard of these so called "bots" and in fact there are places we know that use them but I will not bring there names into this for site protection. What I'm gettin at is he concludes Pokerstars with the billions of dollars in revenue has the resources to be able to pull off this scam with hi tech programmers, anti-fraud marketing campaigns, deposit bonuses, etc etc. They have the world in their hands, and being that party poker is a big competitor it onlys make sense that these greedy bastards would rob every penny they can get their hands on!

So in closing this, beware and the next time you ask yourself how did I just lose with AA to 23 os all in preflop, remember this post.

Best of Luck,

Riggedpokerstars

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A) Why could he care about his identity, he wouldn't. It would make him famous if he was correct.

B) Where is the data proving your position, supposedly you have it, SO POST IT. THIS IS THE BIGGEST REASON YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP. If the data is correct it could be verified and your position would be proven. You pruposefully don't post it to make your bs troll acct or because youre just full of it.

C) A person in MIT, however smart, is not qualified to analyze what betting patterns mean unless he himself is an expert poker player.

D) What in the holy hell does 21.9% different from the actual probable odds mean?


E) This is a horrible F'ing troll post or a complete moron. Trolls shouldn't make posts like this, it's not freakin funny. All it does is eat into all of the winning players profits and ruins the reputations of honest people. Honestly I think the only site that really cares about it's players is PStars (but I still think the site sucks). Lee Jones is one of few honest people in this industry that is desperate for non-scummy people.

jdl22 10-15-2005 03:37 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
[ QUOTE ]

After 3 years of recorded hand histories, betting patterns, chat, and other related aspects to the game, I submitted all this information to a personal friend whom is a graduate from MIT. I will not post his name as he requested to keep his identity from this issue.

[/ QUOTE ]

Come on Ed, why not just come clean and say it was you doing the analysis?

Uglyowl 10-15-2005 03:40 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
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in fact 21.9% in difference then in actual probable odds

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That's it? I have a 38.143198% difference than expected. My aces for some reason don't have a problem with 32o, but for some reason 94s busts them 56.8% of the time all in preflop, that is not right.

Tapin 10-15-2005 03:42 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
Vanilla Creme Brulée
6 large egg yolks
6 tablespoons sugar
1 vanilla bean, split lengthwise
1 1/2 cups whipping cream

6 teaspoons granulated sugar (or 8 -12 teaspoons packed brown sugar).

Preheat oven to 325°F.

Whisk yolks and 6 tablespoons sugar in medium bowl to blend. Scrape in seeds from vanilla bean. Gradually whisk the cream into the sugar. Divide mixture among 6 - 3/4 cup custard cups or ramekins. Arrange dishes in 13x9x2-inch baking pan. Pour enough hot water into pan to come halfway up sides of dishes.

Bake custards approximately 35-40 minutes until the custard is set. Do not overbake or your custard will be rubbery. Remove the pan from the oven and remove custard cups from the water. Allow custards to cool before placing in the refrigerator. Chill overnight.

Two hours before serving:
Preheat broiler. Sprinkle 1 teaspoon sugar atop each custard. Place dishes on small baking sheet. Broil until sugar just starts to caramelize, rotating sheet for even browning, about 2 minutes. Chill until caramelized sugar hardens, about 2 hours.

imported_azalin 10-15-2005 03:43 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
Everyone knows pokerstars is rigged

A_Junglen 10-15-2005 03:46 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
[ QUOTE ]
Vanilla Creme Brulée
6 large egg yolks
6 tablespoons sugar
1 vanilla bean, split lengthwise
1 1/2 cups whipping cream

6 teaspoons granulated sugar (or 8 -12 teaspoons packed brown sugar).

Preheat oven to 325°F.

Whisk yolks and 6 tablespoons sugar in medium bowl to blend. Scrape in seeds from vanilla bean. Gradually whisk the cream into the sugar. Divide mixture among 6 - 3/4 cup custard cups or ramekins. Arrange dishes in 13x9x2-inch baking pan. Pour enough hot water into pan to come halfway up sides of dishes.

Bake custards approximately 35-40 minutes until the custard is set. Do not overbake or your custard will be rubbery. Remove the pan from the oven and remove custard cups from the water. Allow custards to cool before placing in the refrigerator. Chill overnight.

Two hours before serving:
Preheat broiler. Sprinkle 1 teaspoon sugar atop each custard. Place dishes on small baking sheet. Broil until sugar just starts to caramelize, rotating sheet for even browning, about 2 minutes. Chill until caramelized sugar hardens, about 2 hours.

[/ QUOTE ]

that's just downright ambitious ...

*boils 2 cups of water, adds noddles, cooks for 3 minutes, adds seasoning*

10-15-2005 03:47 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
sounds like youve had your share of taking it in the azz with your tone of voice. go mouth off to someone who really gives a flyin @#@#!

Exsubmariner 10-15-2005 03:53 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
Will it ever end? Posts like this make me want to stop reading the zoo.

So, Rigged Pokerstars, Please post a link where we can download your database. I would love to analyze this myself.
Thank you.

X

10-15-2005 04:08 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
This is one of those parody posts, isn't it?

That modern edgy humor just plain goes over my head.

Hermlord 10-15-2005 04:32 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
I looooooove creme brulee!!! You cannot possibly imagine how hungry you just made me....too bad it takes a day to make...

webgator 10-15-2005 04:32 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
Yep, and it's not just Poker Stars...all online poker is rigged! [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

darkcore 10-15-2005 05:13 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
all b&m poker, too.
i think it has to do with some alien masterplan to take over the world. and as long as you can't proof i'm wrong, i'm right, right?

JayLeno 10-15-2005 05:17 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
I would like to vote....
But how do you vote yes or no to the question: WHO HERE believes pokerstars is rigged?
Shouldnt it be; DO YOU believe...etc?
I think YOU are rigged........ [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

10-15-2005 07:09 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
I believe the best candy bars out there are twix bars. They're really quite good. Snickers are the next best.

Worst candy? Tootsie rolls. They look like chocolate, but they're not, they're some kind of chewy tasteless crap. Why fill the wrapper with tootsie roll when they could put chocolate in instead? There's just no excuse for that.

BluffTHIS! 10-15-2005 07:30 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
Well fortunately for me they let me in on the positive end of the rigging and I have experienced the exact same 21.9% difference but positively. So a greater number of my made hands on the flop hold up and my drawing hands suck out so much I take a 4 outer to the river in pot-limit and no-limit games regularly. I'm truly the gutshot king of stars! So too bad for all you -21.9% suckers who give me that +21.9%.

And here's a final clue. I paid to be on the positive rigging end on every site on which I play, so I pwn all you suckers no matter where you go.

kapw7 10-15-2005 07:40 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
I agree. It must be rigged. Because I've just finished my $150 reload bonus and I'm $550 up in total. And I am really bad at poker.

evil_twin 10-15-2005 07:44 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
I might try and get out to the cinema later.

Sciolist 10-15-2005 08:34 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
Or, post your User ID and give me permission, and I'll download the hands myself, run them through Poker Tracker and let everyone know the results. Sounds good?

lorinda 10-15-2005 08:42 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
It's okay Lee, you can use your real name, we know it's you.

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and found that the probabilities that resulted in the wins/losses of these hands were in fact 21.9% in difference then in actual probable odds

[/ QUOTE ]

Lee, this is why we need an automatic way of chopping the final table, your math gets a bit wonky at times.

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it onlys make sense that these greedy bastards would rob every penny they can get their hands on!


[/ QUOTE ]

Seriously Lee, just write another book if times are hard.

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and being that party poker is a big competitor

[/ QUOTE ]

We worked out ages ago that you are both the same company. Lucy Jones/Lee Jones, it was all too obvious.


Lori

JJNJustin 10-15-2005 09:32 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
Making a post such as this is similiar to defacating in a public swimming pool. It wont be met with open arms, to say the least.

-J

primetime32 10-15-2005 09:55 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
So you lost a ton of money on some bad beats at pokerstars and instead of learning how to play the game you post up this drivel. Talk about transparent.

Freudian 10-15-2005 10:31 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
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Will it ever end? Posts like this is what makes me read the zoo.

So, Rigged Pokerstars, Please post a link where we can download your database. I would love to analyze this myself.
Thank you.

X

[/ QUOTE ]

FYP [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

FlFishOn 10-15-2005 10:43 AM

Pokerstars Is Likely Not Rigged
 
Here's a site I trust. I sampled a small batch of hands and they checked out very close to expectation.

Overdrive 10-15-2005 10:45 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
[ QUOTE ]
YSSCKY

I win.

[/ QUOTE ]

My oh my. Now that sir, is what we call an Avatar [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Sciolist 10-15-2005 10:52 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Likely Not Rigged
 
To quote my bad beat response template:

[ QUOTE ]
There are three sets of people who would undoubtably recognise that something was amiss if there were any flaws in the shuffle. The first set is the programmers, the second senior management, and the third the poker specialists (who have access to as many hand histories as they want). All any of these people would have to do is ask for a 100% pay rise with the threat that they will release compelling evidence about the dishonesty. We make our money purely from rake and tournament entry fees. We would immediately lose a lot, if not all of our players as a result of this. The fact that this is not all over the forums, and the fact that I am (sadly) not sitting on a tropical island as I type this mail is a very strong signal that nothing is amiss

[/ QUOTE ]

Jim Easton 10-15-2005 11:28 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
Tootsie Rolls kick Twix bars butts.

Eder 10-15-2005 11:52 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
I voted yes...but of course I enjoy these threads

Ro-me-ro 10-15-2005 11:59 AM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
www.billrini.com/index.php/2005/09/25/why-online-poker-is-not-rigged/

"Enjoy!"

Guthrie 10-15-2005 12:05 PM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
I always thought that Lee Jones was a shifty-looking character. Who wants to charter a plane, fly down to Costa Rica, and get our money back? Or at least get really drunk.

TobDog 10-15-2005 12:11 PM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
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sounds like youve had your share of taking it in the azz with your tone of voice. go mouth off to someone who really gives a flyin @#@#!

[/ QUOTE ]

We can give you an 800 # to call and talk to someone who cares

1-800-522-4700

OH by the way... ENJOY!

smb394 10-15-2005 12:23 PM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
[ QUOTE ]
arbertrate

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DarthIgnurnt 10-15-2005 12:40 PM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
[ QUOTE ]
the probabilities that resulted in the wins/losses of these hands were in fact 21.9% in difference then in actual probable odds.

[/ QUOTE ]

It's at least 80% to 1 that your friend is wrong.

wrongarm300 10-15-2005 12:48 PM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
Yes, but how many licks does it take to reach the center of a tootsie roll pop?

cold_cash 10-15-2005 12:51 PM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
[ QUOTE ]
I submitted all this information to a personal friend whom is a graduate from MIT.

[/ QUOTE ]

Before I believe any of this I'm going to need to know what this guy scored on his SAT.

omg rigged!

tdarko 10-15-2005 12:59 PM

Re: Pokerstars Is Rigged
 
jim, mike, matt,

just cross post this to OOT let [censored] sort this out.


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