A4s TP OOP
 

BB is 50/10/1 after 54 hands
MP1 is 90/0/.14 and on my buddy list

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls, Hero completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, MP1 calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP1 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, Button folds, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (12 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 15 BB

Re: A4s TP OOP
 

check/call that flop.

i probably fold that turn.

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MP1 is 90/0/.14 and on my buddy list

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Re: A4s TP OOP
 

yeah this is a tough one. I like trying to protect your hand by trying to get the bb to raise you up, though that makes for some tough decisions later in the hand.

I might check and out and see what it comes back to me. Betting into this field with this hand is no fun.

As you played it I think it is a clear fold on the turn. Your hand is super vulnerable and even if you are ahead now (which I really doubt) there are about a million redraw outs on you.

Also, it is your buddy lister who raises and his aggression is nonexistent. Fold this turn for sure.

Re: A4s TP OOP
 

i play at major casino's
the bb is a weak player if he had anything remotly simmular 2 a bb raise he should have cracked ur "BUTT" on the flop 2 protect his hand.i fold the turn raise.

Re: A4s TP OOP
 

You got raised by a (90/0/.14) on the turn, I think your drawing more-or-less dead and should fold.

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i play at major casino's

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i dont play online i play at major casino's.

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You seriously don't need to put this in every one of your posts. Nobody cares.

Re: A4s TP OOP
 

A raise on the turn from a guy with a 0.14 aggression factor is a big hand. He's going to be scared about that flush if he doesn't have it. I'd be pleasantly surprised to see 2-pair from him here and there's no way you're ahead.

I'd guess you have below 2 outs on average. Seems like an easy fold on the turn.
Am I way off base?

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I'm more concerned about how to play the flop and the hand from there.

I acknowledge my retardation for not folding the turn.

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i put that in so that i can anoy online players who think they r gods gift 2 poker.lol!

Re: A4s TP OOP
 

I think the flop bet is fine but I fold the turn.

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Bet flop, fold to turn raise.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

-ZEN

I\'m Bill Fillmaff!
 

1.) clearly minor casinos are better
2.) notice that "casinos" does not require an apostrophe

That is all.

-ZEN

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notice that "casinos" does not require an apostrophe

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it does if he's talking about playing a Mr. Major Casino's house [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Re: A4s TP OOP
 

Easy fold on the turn when a 90/0/.14 raises you and you don't have a very good hand.

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I think I like the flop lead, to see what the BB does. If he raises, you're certainly not upset if he protects your hand for you, but since he just called, I'm quite intrigued.

I fold the turn, though.

I think I could also see check/calling the flop and bailing if there's no help on the turn.

I could go either way.

Re: A4s TP OOP
 

i'm interested to hear people's explanation for liking the flop lead and what they would have to have if they were BB to raise this bet?

i obviously figure it is hoping BB raises for protection, but what are we protecting ourselves from that we hope to fold and if BB raises and a non-diamond comes on the turn, what is your plan (ie 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]?

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i'm interested to hear people's explanation for liking the flop lead and what they would have to have if they were BB to raise this bet?

i obviously figure it is hoping BB raises for protection, but what are we protecting ourselves from that we hope to fold and if BB raises and a non-diamond comes on the turn, what is your plan (ie 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]?

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This is my primary question. The tunr is easy, I'll pretend it was a misclick. Do I really check call the flop? it' just seems weak. Do I go into call down mode if BB raises? This hadn was very hard for me.

Re: A4s TP OOP
 

Vs these two you've got to bet the flop; there are a ton of worse hands they're calling with. Both of there ranges are any two so you're almost always ahead.

Your raiser's AF is .14 unless the sample size is really small or he's gotton out of line lately you should be folding just about anything to a his raise. I'd imagine his betting/raising standards are extremely high. The BB makes this even easier because it should be very clear he's not trying to put a move on you.

Re: A4s TP OOP
 

BB is going to bet here 95% of the time, so I don't have to worry about the value of betting the flop.

My hand is not that vulnerable. I'm WA/WB most likely, depending on villians' A Pair if they have one im in trouble.

If I bet, BB could raise and protect my hand, but my vulnerability is to the Flush Draw which isn't folding. 2 outters are not calling a single bet profitably.