Worst hand I played in a while (vs. Flair)
 

So, Flair is villan in this hand, I know who he is but he has zero idea who I am, for sure.

I'd been on a super hot run of cards I didn't showdown so he may have been sick of me bulying *his* table, but, he's also 3 betting from the SB which is usu a big hand. Anyways, I sort of hated this when it went down but I'm curious to hear what you come up with:

Ultimate Bet 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

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I don't know about the river call, but his hand sure smells like TT.

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Yeah, the river call is the worst of it for sure. What do you think about the turn? I think I prob should have raised there....

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I've played hands much worse than that.

I think the hand is fine up until the river though I can see an argument for raising the flop. On the river I would have raised also and reluctantly called the 3-bet. But maybe someone will chime in with you shouldn't raise the river unless you can fold to the 3-bet.

- Jim

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I'd find a raise before the river. I might cap preflop.

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Either the turn or the flop. I'm not sure which one, but one of them.

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So, Flair is villan in this hand, I know who he is but he has zero idea who I am, for sure.

I'd been on a super hot run of cards I didn't showdown so he may have been sick of me bulying *his* table, but, he's also 3 betting from the SB which is usu a big hand. Anyways, I sort of hated this when it went down but I'm curious to hear what you come up with:

Ultimate Bet 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

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I was going to apologise.

For the record,

1. I was sick of having my blind raised.
2. I did feel like he was being a bully.
3. I did not know it was Brett; but it was obvious to me he was a thinking TAG. Meaning, I figured he was not just a player with the "right stats".

4. I can't wait for all you guys to get RB on Party Poker and just leave me alone. (While this hand was going on, I put an very sick beat on "Doc Martin" over on Absolute... I am suprised he has not posted that one yet.)

EDIT: As a side note before I hit the raise button pre-flop, I stood up and took of my sunglasses and said "It is time to put a stop to this."

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Either the turn or the flop. I'm not sure which one, but one of them.

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I think I prefer the turn. I like taking down this somewhat vulnerable hand here.

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EDIT: As a side note before I hit the raise button pre-flop, I stood up and took of my sunglasses and said "It is time to put a stop to this."

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HAHAHAH. I love it.

BTW. Looks like 1010, but given that it is a blind defense from a TAG I would think his 3bet range is rather large including K10, and A10 (which he decided to press postflop). Heck, maybe Q10s?

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I was going to apologise.

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Why?


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For the record,

1. I was sick of having my blind raised.

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Eh, I don't get too frisky about my small blind.
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3. I did not know it was Brett; but it was obvious to me he was a thinking TAG. Meaning, I figured he was not just a player with the "right stats".

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Did you like my "You going to post that hand?" comment?
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4. I can't wait for all you guys to get RB on Party Poker and just leave me alone.

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Find me a good deal and I'm gone, amigo.

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EDIT: As a side note before I hit the raise button pre-flop, I stood up and took of my sunglasses and said "It is time to put a stop to this."

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Believe it or not, I had my values every time. Just a good run of cards is all. I did think to myself, [censored], I haven't shown down anything. I just didn't thinkk you'd get so bitchy about your small blind.

Flair 1 Brett 0

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Looks like 1010, but given that it is a blind defense from a TAG I would think his 3bet range is rather large including K10, and A10 (which he decided to press postflop). Heck, maybe Q10s?

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Keep going....

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I was going to apologise.

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Why?


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For the record,

1. I was sick of having my blind raised.

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Eh, I don't get too frisky about my small blind.
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3. I did not know it was Brett; but it was obvious to me he was a thinking TAG. Meaning, I figured he was not just a player with the "right stats".

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Did you like my "You going to post that hand?" comment?
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4. I can't wait for all you guys to get RB on Party Poker and just leave me alone.

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Find me a good deal and I'm gone, amigo.

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EDIT: As a side note before I hit the raise button pre-flop, I stood up and took of my sunglasses and said "It is time to put a stop to this."

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Believe it or not, I had my values every time. Just a good run of cards is all. I did think to myself, [censored], I haven't shown down anything. I just didn't thinkk you'd get so bitchy about your small blind.

Flair 1 Brett 0

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Don't mean to hijack your thread.

Here is the deal. I had immediate postion on either the worst or 2nd worst player at the table. Before you arrived, I had a string of good hands and strong draws that got cracked. So I was down a bit 12-15BB somewhere in there.

Then you show up and all the sudden I am not only card dead, but when I have a playable hand I am folding to your PF raises.

I was actually considering leaving the table. I also think I had folded a blind or two to you already. At this point on my HUD you were something like 21/15/2ish I think.

So when I had what I had, I was really looking for a reason to play. Not because I was tilting, but because I felt I was about to get run off a table where that had the potential to be very good... if I could get some room to breathe... which to me meant you had to slow down or I would have to leave.

So I think PF was iffy probably could have picked a better hand and better position to make a stand.

The more I think about it the more I dislike my turn play, but this could just be because I know it was you now. I like the river 3-bet, but I am not sure how correct it was.

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Looks like 1010, but given that it is a blind defense from a TAG I would think his 3bet range is rather large including K10, and A10 (which he decided to press postflop). Heck, maybe Q10s?

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Keep going....

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lol

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The river three-bet is automatic. And your turn play is fine too, I think.

As for keeping me in check, it worked, I guess, but I think the two donators left the table shortly after and I folled suit...

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The river three-bet is automatic. And your turn play is fine too, I think.

As for keeping me in check, it worked, I guess, but I think the two donators left the table shortly after and I folled suit...

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Check back on your PT. The guy to my immediate right or maybe one off my right was pretty bad. Might want to add him to Ultimate Buddy.

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i would just call the river, you are ahead of AA

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i would just call the river, you are ahead of AA

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And AK.

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i would just call the river, you are ahead of AA

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And AK.

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duh, i just thought that was too obvious to even type. geez.

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What?

You mean KQ took the pot down?

Surely not.... [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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8Ts? Really???

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8Ts? Really???

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Higher

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8Ts? Really???

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Higher

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If it's not KJ, then I'm totally lost.

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T9s

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T9s

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That's beautiful. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Re: Worst hand I played in a while (vs. Flair)
 

y call on the flop.Raise!2 get info on his hand.if he reraises u then call and check the turn.I also bet the river and if raised call.

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if any one is wondering what i ment by saying i would bet the river,its this.when i raise the flop un less villian has a "Made straight" or an over pair he will call my raise on the flop and check to me on the turn.if he also checks on the river i bet out and if he raises me then,i just call with my top 2 pairs.if u followed my betting sequence u will save that 3 bet on the river.

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77+,A7s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KJo+,QJo
If this is a reasonable approximation of the range of hands he will 3 bet with preflop, then after your equity is 61% on the flop.

He's probably leading out on the flop with anything considering this looked like a blind steal raise, and your read says he's probably worried about that.

When he bets out again on the turn, you figure that cuts his possible hands down to:
99+,AQs-A9s,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,AQo-ATo,KJo+,QJo
At which point your equity is 56%

On the river, im thinking he would 3 bet with this range of cards:
KK-99,ATs,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,ATo,KJo+,QJo
And at this point your equity is only 26% but still more than enough for the 11.5 - 1 pot odds you're getting for the final call.

And, yes, I love pokerstove.

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4. I can't wait for all you guys to get RB on Party Poker and just leave me alone. (While this hand was going on, I put an very sick beat on "DocMartin" over on Absolute... I am suprised he has not posted that one yet.)

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I was trying to forget that hand.. you put me on mini-tilt [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Maybe I will dredge it up so people can tell us how bad we play and how good you river.

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happy birthday

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Thanks. I posted the hand. I feel your pain Brett.

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raise the flop.