6 handed 100/200, KJo in bb vs utg raiser
 

6 handed game. The game has not being playing too crazy, nobody has shown any real preflop stinkers. The worst player at the table raises utg. This player is too loose, cold calls too much. Typical bad player. Not insanely aggro or anything. All fold and I call in the bb with KJo.
Flop comes KK6 rainbow. What street should i look to get a checkraise in?

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If you think that he'll pay off the river if you CR the turn then turn it is ...However you'd hide your hand better if you do it on the flop.

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Most of the time I'm checkraising the flop and leading him to showdown one bet at a time. If he were a bit more aggro I'd checkraise the turn more often.

-Diplomat

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6 handed game. The game has not being playing too crazy, nobody has shown any real preflop stinkers. The worst player at the table raises utg. This player is too loose, cold calls too much. Typical bad player. Not insanely aggro or anything. All fold and I call in the bb with KJo.
Flop comes KK6 rainbow. What street should i look to get a checkraise in?

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without reading any responses, definitely the flop.

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Don't you love having to face these types of dilemmas?

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On the flop. I think you can get the most action this way, he may raise you on the turn with a pocket pair.

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Please forgive me deigning to respond to a $100/200 post...

Anyway, against an opponent like this I don't think a flop checkraise tips your hand at all--if anything, I think he'd be less likely to give you credit for a king and might be more inclined to call down with Ace-high hands and maybe even get frisky on the turn with pocket pairs.

So I'd checkraise the flop and take it from there.

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Flop checkraise is my standard line, seems like everyone agrees. On this hand I went for the river checkraise and FORGOT TO HIT THE RAISE BUTTON. the villian had aces:(.

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Flop checkraise is my standard line, seems like everyone agrees. On this hand I went for the river checkraise and FORGOT TO HIT THE RAISE BUTTON. the villian had aces:(.

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Ugh that sucks. But seriously, of the three post-flop streets, the last street I'd check-raise is the river.

-Diplomat

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at least you only cost your self like 800.

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at least you only cost your self like 800.

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Yeah, this is the last time I play a session on my laptop while watching baseball with my dad.

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Just hope you didn't hit the fold button instead.

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My dad was visiting from out of town, ya jerk.

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See, that's the thing; I wouldn't be that worried about losing him or giving away my hand or whatever as I'd be worried about not getting at least 3 bets out of him. Against bad aggro players you can checkraise the turn or river because you know they will bet the whole way and pay off more than often enough to pay for the times where they actually check behind on a later street. IMO regular bad players will check behind on the turn or river with hands such as AJ or 99 too often for a check/call, check/raise or a check/call, check/call, check/raise line to be more profitable than a check/raise, bet, bet line (in general, absense of reads, etc.).

-Diplomat

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Oh man that's good. You are on today.

-Diplomat

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go play some Settlers, nerd.

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Sometimes i like to for a check-call , donk bet the turn line. This only has merit if you can get a read on UTG and makes good guestimates to his hand range after the turn action. If you think he has a PP higher then 66, c/r the river.

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Sometimes i like to for a check-call , donk bet the turn line.

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This is an action killer and I think effectively costs you at least 1 SB a majority of the time.

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FPS.

-Diplomat

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Sometimes i like to for a check-call , donk bet the turn line. This only has merit if you can get a read on UTG and makes good guestimates to his hand range after the turn action. If you think he has a PP higher then 66, c/r the river.

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at lower limits you can donk the flop, get raised and donk the turn and get to 3bet. I imagine this would work well in more aggro games, but I could be wrong.

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go play some Settlers, nerd.

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Hey. Hey. Relax. Settlers was number one in 02!
Previous to that I was the champ of AOK

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The worst player at the table raises utg. This player is too loose, cold calls too much.

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I'm always kind of curious about statements like these. How do you get to playing 100/200 at PokerStars by cold-calling too much? Are there people just really bad at theoretical poker at these levels or is cold-calling just a larger part of meta-game? The reason I ask is because I play mid-stakes limit (10-20 through 30-60) and there are very few hands that I cold-call a raise with and none that I cold-call a 3-bet with. At the limits I play, shania doesn't really matter because the opponents aren't very good but I assume that at 100/200 people would know better than to cold-call as much as you're making them out to be, but then again I don't play this high, and that's why I'm asking.

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I'd think that too. But we'd both be wrong.