Compare and Contrast: SimCity 4 and Civ 3
 

I'm looking for a "world building" type game.

The problem that I usually have with these is that I want to build a happy little agrarian society, and while I don't object to putting together a nice little army to defend myself, I'm not wild about running around jacking people's land. I'm peaceful folk.

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Everybody and their grandmother loves Civ 3, and while I know it's more geared towards combat and competition, my guess would be that it's a much better game than SimCity 4, of which I've heard little about.

Re: Compare and Contrast: SimCity 4 and Civ 3
 

civ 4 comes out soon

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To be clear, I've torrented both these games, I just wanted to decide which one to invest time in playing. I'm not likely to buy a new game at this point.

Re: Compare and Contrast: SimCity 4 and Civ 3
 

Please don't get SimCity 4. Civ 3 is so much better. The best thing about is that while a military conquest might be one of the better ways to succeed in the game, it's definitely not the only way. You can focus on many other things such as government, culture, happiness, wonders, the space race etc and have a really good time. The game is just fantastic and it's not at all about warfare and slaughter, unless you want it to be.

Re: Compare and Contrast: SimCity 4 and Civ 3
 

Civ 4 out end of the month. Civ is not all battles, it is a true strategy game. You can conquer other civs by using less coercive methods than war.

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Civ 4 out end of the month. Civ is not all battles, it is a true strategy game. You can conquer other civs by using less coercive methods than war.

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are you swiss?

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Civ 4 out end of the month. Civ is not all battles, it is a true strategy game. You can conquer other civs by using less coercive methods than war.

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are you swiss?

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Wrong forum, but you started it:
Do you have idea how much the US's 'soft power' has diminished because of people like you? People in Russia used to spend a months salary for a pair of old levi's. That is the kind of power that Civ takes into account.

Re: Compare and Contrast: SimCity 4 and Civ 3
 

STOP RIGHT NOW. DO NOT DERAIL MY THREAD BECAUSE OF SOME BS.

THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR STUPID POLITICAL BICKERING, IT IS FOR YOU GUYS TO TELL ME HOW TO WASTE TWO HOURS EVERY WEEKEND.

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STOP RIGHT NOW. DO NOT DERAIL MY THREAD BECAUSE OF SOME BS.

THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR STUPID POLITICAL BICKERING, IT IS FOR YOU GUYS TO TELL ME HOW TO WASTE TWO HOURS EVERY WEEKEND.

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haha, apparently people don't joke around anymore.


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STOP RIGHT NOW. DO NOT DERAIL MY THREAD BECAUSE OF SOME BS.

THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR STUPID POLITICAL BICKERING, IT IS FOR YOU GUYS TO TELL ME HOW TO WASTE TWO HOURS EVERY WEEKEND.

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haha, apparently people don't joke around anymore.


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THIS IS [censored] SERIOUS.

Re: Compare and Contrast: SimCity 4 and Civ 3
 

Civ3. No contest. I love SimCity, but Civ will always hold a special place in my heart. Official date is 10/20 for Civ4, but it will probably be 'available' before then.

Freakin

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I still remember SimCity 2000 with much fondness. It was awesome getting to the stage where the city completely ran itself. If you zoned things just right and set everything up correctly it would continue prospering in spite of any disaster or whatever occured. I once kept it running for days straight without any supervision, what an accomplishment!

Still, based on what you are looking for in a game I'd say go with Civ.

Swede

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civ 4 comes out soon

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My life will simultaneously get a whole lot better and a whole lot worse.

Re: Compare and Contrast: SimCity 4 and Civ 3
 

The Sims, an offshoot of the Simcity franchise, is a nonviolent game. Maybe that would suit you.

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civ 4 comes out soon

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it's times like these where i'm glad i have a mac [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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Have you ever played Black & White? I haven't, but from what I can tell it's not only a unique game, it seems geared towards what you're looking for.

I could be dead wrong, since I never played it, but it might be worth looking into.

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civ 4 comes out soon

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So your life can simultaneously get a whole lot better and a whole lot worse... in about 18 months?

~D

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Have you ever played Black & White? I haven't, but from what I can tell it's not only a unique game, it seems geared towards what you're looking for.

I could be dead wrong, since I never played it, but it might be worth looking into.

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i thought this too, but the whole giant monster thing is realllllllly gay.

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civ 4 comes out soon

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it's times like these where i'm glad i have a mac [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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So your life can simultaneously get a whole lot better and a whole lot worse... in about 18 months?

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or not, because i'm sure my 3 yr old ibook won't run it faster than 3fps

Re: Compare and Contrast: SimCity 4 and Civ 3
 

I haven't played SC4, but I played plenty of 3000, which was fun, but ultimately quiet easy. Civ3 is also a sick game, which takes much more skill and strategy to play. As others have said, Civ3 is not all about battles, and much like SimCity, you can play the game as you seem fit. The options are endless, but I am inclined to take Civ3 over SC4 simply because of the challenge, and the ability to destroy European countries with the might of the Industrious Americans.

Re: Compare and Contrast: SimCity 4 and Civ 3
 

I've seen previews for it. It's tempting. I kinda like the giant monster idea, but I'm not sure it deals with the "city" aspect that I like.

Re: Compare and Contrast: SimCity 4 and Civ 3
 

I always find that I have to turn off all other victories besides Military Conquest, because if I don't then I beat the game too early.

Ok, I guess I just turn off diplomatic & space race. I think there's a few other weird ones. I'm pumped for Civ4. That [censored] needs to be leaked already.

Freakin

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In theory, Black & White is a good game. In actuality, it sucks. Way too CPU intensive once your city gets big, even at low video settings (for the new one). Very disappointing game.

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In theory, Black & White is a good game. In actuality, it sucks. Way too CPU intensive once your city gets big, even at low video settings (for the new one). Very disappointing game.

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My problem is how long it takes for your dude to get huge. I want some giant, people-eating ape--not a guy who throws rocks and steps on bushes when he's angry. I got through 2 or 3 levels and quit from boredom.

I just started playing AOE3, and it's pretty good so far.

Freakin

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I always find that I have to turn off all other victories besides Military Conquest, because if I don't then I beat the game too early.

Ok, I guess I just turn off diplomatic & space race. I think there's a few other weird ones. I'm pumped for Civ4. That [censored] needs to be leaked already.

Freakin

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I'm pumped for Civ 4. I liked a lot of the improvements in Civ 3 - except they need to tweek the area of political influence aspect.

Also, the middle of the game is too long ... meaning, towards the end, you get only about 5 - 10 turns to use 20th century military improvements before they are obsolete. That sucks in contrast to the 120 turns you use playing the Knights, etc.

In many ways Civ III is better than Civ II in theory, however, the game play is still superior in Civ II. This is why I am eager for Civ IV ... I think they will get is right this time.

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In theory, Black & White is a good game. In actuality, it sucks. Way too CPU intensive once your city gets big, even at low video settings (for the new one). Very disappointing game.

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My problem is how long it takes for your dude to get huge. I want some giant, people-eating ape--not a guy who throws rocks and steps on bushes when he's angry. I got through 2 or 3 levels and quit from boredom.

I just started playing AOE3, and it's pretty good so far.

Freakin

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Home cities suck. I predict AOE3 bombs pretty hard.

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In theory, Black & White is a good game. In actuality, it sucks. Way too CPU intensive once your city gets big, even at low video settings (for the new one). Very disappointing game.

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My problem is how long it takes for your dude to get huge. I want some giant, people-eating ape--not a guy who throws rocks and steps on bushes when he's angry. I got through 2 or 3 levels and quit from boredom.

I just started playing AOE3, and it's pretty good so far.

Freakin

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Home cities suck. I predict AOE3 bombs pretty hard.

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I'm not far enough in the game yet to get to use my home cities... Between working and gambling, I don't have much time for fun...

Freakin

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In theory, Black & White is a good game. In actuality, it sucks. Way too CPU intensive once your city gets big, even at low video settings (for the new one). Very disappointing game.

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My problem is how long it takes for your dude to get huge. I want some giant, people-eating ape--not a guy who throws rocks and steps on bushes when he's angry. I got through 2 or 3 levels and quit from boredom.

I just started playing AOE3, and it's pretty good so far.

Freakin

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Home cities suck. I predict AOE3 bombs pretty hard.

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I'm not far enough in the game yet to get to use my home cities... Between working and gambling, I don't have much time for fun...

Freakin

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I hope i'm wrong. I only spent a few hours with the demo (i didn't go campaign, i went straight to the multiplayer maps). It felt like a dumbed down version of age2 like aom did. Hopefully i'm wrong and the final version is much better than the demo but I don't think that is going to be the case.

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In theory, Black & White is a good game. In actuality, it sucks. Way too CPU intensive once your city gets big, even at low video settings (for the new one). Very disappointing game.

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My problem is how long it takes for your dude to get huge. I want some giant, people-eating ape--not a guy who throws rocks and steps on bushes when he's angry. I got through 2 or 3 levels and quit from boredom.

I just started playing AOE3, and it's pretty good so far.

Freakin

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Home cities suck. I predict AOE3 bombs pretty hard.

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I'm not far enough in the game yet to get to use my home cities... Between working and gambling, I don't have much time for fun...

Freakin

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I hope i'm wrong. I only spent a few hours with the demo (i didn't go campaign, i went straight to the multiplayer maps). It felt like a dumbed down version of age2 like aom did. Hopefully i'm wrong and the final version is much better than the demo but I don't think that is going to be the case.

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They should make a followup to Rise of Nations... except without all the shitty endgame techs that are like cheat codes... That game was like a great crossbreed of AOE & CIV.



Freakin

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They should make a followup to Rise of Nations... except without all the shitty endgame techs that are like cheat codes... That game was like a great crossbreed of AOE & CIV.

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Rise of Nations is great, but it's really just a race to get Stealth Bombers.

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In theory, Black & White is a good game. In actuality, it sucks. Way too CPU intensive once your city gets big, even at low video settings (for the new one). Very disappointing game.

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My problem is how long it takes for your dude to get huge. I want some giant, people-eating ape--not a guy who throws rocks and steps on bushes when he's angry. I got through 2 or 3 levels and quit from boredom.

I just started playing AOE3, and it's pretty good so far.

Freakin

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Home cities suck. I predict AOE3 bombs pretty hard.

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I'm not far enough in the game yet to get to use my home cities... Between working and gambling, I don't have much time for fun...

Freakin

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I hope i'm wrong. I only spent a few hours with the demo (i didn't go campaign, i went straight to the multiplayer maps). It felt like a dumbed down version of age2 like aom did. Hopefully i'm wrong and the final version is much better than the demo but I don't think that is going to be the case.

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They should make a followup to Rise of Nations... except without all the shitty endgame techs that are like cheat codes... That game was like a great crossbreed of AOE & CIV.



Freakin

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How they handled patches/features/etc. was awesome with that game. I don't think it sold enough to do a sequel though, although i could be wrong. I won my copy in an AOM:TT tournament.

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Please don't get SimCity 4. Civ 3 is so much better. The best thing about is that while a military conquest might be one of the better ways to succeed in the game, it's definitely not the only way. You can focus on many other things such as government, culture, happiness, wonders, the space race etc and have a really good time. The game is just fantastic and it's not at all about warfare and slaughter, unless you want it to be.

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Re: Compare and Contrast: SimCity 4 and Civ 3
 

I heard something about Civ4 doing multiplayer... that doesn't even sound possible to me. During the later stages of the game I'm taking at least 30 minutes per turn, and I'm sure that's not on the slow side. To have 8-10 people all trying to do their moves sounds nuts. Obviously they'd have to do simultaneous moves, but it's still crazy.

Freakin

Re: Compare and Contrast: SimCity 4 and Civ 3
 

Do y'all have a specific beef with SimCity, or just that you like Civ better?

The more I read, the more I'm leaning towards SimCity. I may just have to give up and play both. Might not be a bad idea given how I'm running/playing on that other thing I do infront of the computer.

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I played AOE2 networked with an ex-roommate and his girlfriend.

I made a happy little settlement that was all friendly and had farmers and had a modest army and then those hostile bastards came and crushed us when we didn't do nothing to them.

I was very sad.

It's an amazing looking game though and AOE3 looks even better.

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Do y'all have a specific beef with SimCity, or just that you like Civ better?

The more I read, the more I'm leaning towards SimCity. I may just have to give up and play both. Might not be a bad idea given how I'm running/playing on that other thing I do infront of the computer.

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SimCity is fun, and when you get good at it, you can turn your cities into beautiful things. but once you've done it, you've done it. good night. game over.

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I know you're picking between these two right now, but for your next purchase seriously consider the Sims games if you want non-aggressive type gameplay. It really becomes pretty addictive working on designing their houses and all that crap, and you'll never have a hostile army come knocking on your door.

Swede

Re: Compare and Contrast: SimCity 4 and Civ 3
 

See, the Sims seems far to corny for my tastes.

The reason I got on this kick was because I messed around with Roller Coaster Tycoon at a friend's place, and I kinda enjoy the whole building/planning aspect.

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I played AOE2 networked with an ex-roommate and his girlfriend.

I made a happy little settlement that was all friendly and had farmers and had a modest army and then those hostile bastards came and crushed us when we didn't do nothing to them.

I was very sad.

It's an amazing looking game though and AOE3 looks even better.

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In AOM i paid him back by never letting him live past the 10 minute mark so it worked out well in the end.

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That's what I thought too, and if I am honest with myself I guess it was kind of corny. Still, the whole building aspect is definitely there, and I think Sims 2 has taken it even further as far as what you can do with the building part of it all. I understand where you're coming from though. For some serious non-violent strategy you should check out the game Transport Tycoon. It's pretty old and the graphics don't look like much compared to modern games, I remember it as one of the most fun sim type games I have ever played. Download it here for free.

Swede