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xenthebrain

10-12-2005 10:06 AM

TT OOP playalong

Lets play along.
What would you do and why?

Table is VPIP 25-30ish

I will post reads on specific players later in the hand.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 4 folds,
Hero ?

Link774

10-12-2005 10:10 AM

Re: TT playalong

Any reads? I would raise, because if they miss the flop they would be more likely to fold to a continuation bet from the PFR than a bet from the SB. Also to knock out the BB who could hold overcards.

10-12-2005 10:10 AM

Re: TT playalong

Raise for value, you almost certainly have the best hand.

Any reads?

imported_The Vibesman

10-12-2005 10:13 AM

Re: TT playalong

Raise, for value and to knock out BB if at all possible.

If there is no reraise preflop after my raise, I'm betting 99.999 % of flops that come.

stoli

10-12-2005 10:17 AM

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Raise, for value and to knock out BB if at all possible.

If there is no reraise preflop after my raise, I'm betting 99.999 % of flops that come.

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"That's what I'm talking about."

car ramrod

10-12-2005 10:44 AM

Re: TT OOP playalong

not sure why you are not posting reads now, but minus them, raise. You have the best hand. Value.

xenthebrain

10-12-2005 10:47 AM

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not sure why you are not posting reads now, but minus them, raise. You have the best hand. Value.

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The reads are not that spectacular that they are important here preflop.
The guys were both slightly too loose preflop, what more information do you need now?
Assume typical players here.

xenthebrain

10-12-2005 11:03 AM

Re: TT OOP playalong

Ok, so the preflopraise is pretty standard.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero ?

lautzutao

10-12-2005 11:05 AM

Re: TT OOP playalong

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not sure why you are not posting reads now, but minus them, raise. You have the best hand. Value.

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The reads are not that spectacular that they are important here preflop.
The guys were both slightly too loose preflop, what more information do you need now?
Assume typical players here.

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Is this some sort of trick question or something? When would you not be raising TT here?

lautzutao

10-12-2005 11:06 AM

Re: TT OOP playalong

uh, I'm hoping we're betting here.

Link774

10-12-2005 11:19 AM

Re: TT OOP playalong

Bet for value and hopefully fold some overcards. I'd call a raise and fold UI (if we don't pick up an OESD or a T).

TripleH68

10-12-2005 11:21 AM

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Buckle up and bet. You'll get calls and any piece is often calling all the way.

I might check once in awhile if there is a player who always bets when checked to...

MrWookie47

10-12-2005 11:51 AM

Re: TT OOP playalong

Bet the flop. Pretty easy so far.

10-12-2005 11:54 AM

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BET!

MN_Mime

10-12-2005 12:16 PM

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*grunch*

Readless, this is a PFR for me because I want to fold out BB's random trash if possible. Your TT is best nearly always here.

The flop is an autobet for me unless it's really coordinated in the playing zone (two overs, strong draws, etc).

MN_Mime

10-12-2005 12:21 PM

Re: TT OOP playalong

*re-grunch*

Lead this flop. You're ahead of 2nd pair with a BDSD and 2 live set outs. If the board were twotone and I were missing the T of that suit, I'd still bet but be more wary of resistance. I can't imagine anyone hit this flop HARD.

xenthebrain

10-12-2005 01:48 PM

Re: TT OOP playalong

Pretty easy so far.
What now?

FWIW, I have seen MP1 call down before with A-rag high and making some use of the auto-call any button.
That's about it with reads.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero ?

benkath1

10-12-2005 01:51 PM

Re: TT OOP playalong

raises. I'll take TT 3 way all day.

benkath1

10-12-2005 01:53 PM

Re: TT OOP playalong

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Ok, so the preflopraise is pretty standard.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero ?

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bets.

benkath1

10-12-2005 01:56 PM

Re: TT OOP playalong

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Pretty easy so far.
What now?

FWIW, I have seen MP1 call down before with A-rag high and making some use of the auto-call any button.
That's about it with reads.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero ?

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I had a feeling we were going to see an A pop up. Bet/fold...yuck. check/call...yuck. check/raise.....meh. I would probably bet and call down from there. I don't think that is the best way to play this, but that's what I'd do. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Link774

10-12-2005 02:04 PM

Re: TT OOP playalong

I think I would bet/fold. They could have just been calling a small bet with some random holding, and may now fold. If you're raised I would get the heck out. I could also see check/folding here if your opponents are sufficiently passive. They might fear a check raise and check behind.

Walker

10-12-2005 02:05 PM

Re: TT OOP playalong

I think we're ahead here enough that we need to protect our hand. I bet/fold

deception5

10-12-2005 02:18 PM

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I bet/fold. Checking is just saying "Please take this pot away".

imported_The Vibesman

10-12-2005 02:26 PM

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I bet/fold. Checking is just saying "Please take this pot away".

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car ramrod

10-12-2005 02:57 PM

Re: TT OOP playalong

Bet, maybe they caught a piece of teh flop, but that A is a scary card, if they don't have it, you have good fold equity. If you get raised, fold.

xenthebrain

10-12-2005 02:57 PM

Re: TT OOP playalong

Alright.

So I bet.
MP1 is with me.
What is your next step and what do you put MP1 on (now after he called that turnbet)?

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls.

River: (7 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Hero ?

lautzutao

10-12-2005 03:00 PM

Re: TT OOP playalong

check/fold

car ramrod

10-12-2005 03:02 PM

Re: TT OOP playalong

He's not scared of any of the overs, so I check. You said ealier that you have seen him auto call down w/ A hi. If you feel he may have a small PP and is just calling down, I would call a bet. But, hopefully it gets checked thru. Minus a read, I probably check/fold.

MN_Mime

10-12-2005 03:34 PM

Re: TT OOP playalong

The only thing you're beating is a busted straight draw (and not many of those...)

Check/fold.

Link774

10-12-2005 04:49 PM

Re: TT OOP playalong

I'd check/fold. He's probably holding an overcard, or he just completed a straight draw. Of course, it's hard to tell with a player such as this.

POKhER

10-12-2005 04:58 PM

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whats his stats?

Anyhow yeh i check/fold.Nh. Unlucky.

xenthebrain

10-12-2005 07:25 PM

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Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls.

River: (7 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Oh, well. Crap. Thanks guys.

10-12-2005 07:31 PM

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