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DoubleDown 10-12-2005 07:52 AM

Yankees Offseason Moves
 
here's looking fwd to offseason issues (in some order of importance):

starting pitching
despite faltering in his lone start in the playoffs this yr, RJ is still the ace of this staff. his health will obviously be a concern, but the yanks brought him here to be the #1 starter and so he will remain the #1.

moose is also not getting any younger. health will also be a concern, but they will keep him thru next yr for sure as it is the last yr of his contract. they should not extend the contract beyond this upcoming yr until the end of next season.

pavano needs to step up and prove that he can pitch among the elite in the AL. chacon was great down the stretch and in the playoffs; he should obviously stay. i expect good things from wang again next yr- gotta love a sinkerball pitcher like him. gets in there, throws strikes, comes quick to the plate, keeps the defense involved in the game. i think Small was your typical 1-yr wonder, who is worth giving a shot to next season as a spot starter/long reliever.

al leiter and kevin brown should be gone. no reason to think about bringing either back. dont think there is any real big name that is worth going after at this time on the free agent market. the rotation seems like its rather locked in.

bullpen
rivera, despite the fact that he will be 36 next yr, is still an elite closer. embree should not be brought back, neither should sturtze or gordon. gordon has proved that he doesnt have the stomach for pitching in big games (literally & figuratively.) the yanks MUST sign BJ Ryan. he was nasty this yr (70 IP, 100K, 36 SV, 2.43 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, .208 opp BA). he's the lefty stopper the yanks have desperately missed since mike stanton's heyday. i'd like to see him come in and split some of the closing duties with mariano. they sure could use a young 29yr old live arm out in the pen.

outfield
bernie should not be brought back. there i said it. he had a great career, but he's obviously lost more than just a step. he looked completely overmatched in the alds. the yanks need a fast, pesky, CF'er who will get on base and wreak some havoc on the basepaths ahead of the big hitters. i do not want to see johnny damon in pinstripes (which is the latest rumor that is swirling around). i dont think he would be a good fit in ny. and i dont think the nyy are a good fit for his personality. there will be too many distractions for him in nyc for him to be as productive as possible.

matsui should be re-signed. he's proved that hes a solid player day-in & day-out, despite having a poor performance in the alds. he plays a solid LF and is a consummate professional. ive also heard of rumors of bringing in manny. while intriguing, there is really no room for him and it doesnt make much sense to bring him to ny. giambi would be forced to play the field much more as manny would surely take up the DH spot. he'd be a great addition, but def not a priority.

coaching
torre will be back. he has too much $$ left on his contract for them to not bring him back ($13mil for 2 yrs). stottlemyre should get the boot tho. somebody has to go, and it should prob be him. while he did get the best out of chacon, small, & wang ... brown, pavano, & wright completely crapped out - and he needs to take some accountability for that.

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the core of this team should remain unchanged. jeter, arod, sheffield, giambi, posada, cano will obviously return. cashman is probably gone (for the same reasons that mel stottlemyre will also be shown the door.)

should be an interesting few months ... let the countdown to spring training commence

DougOzzzz 10-12-2005 08:15 AM

Re: Yankees Offseason Moves
 
check out this thread

10-12-2005 10:51 AM

Re: Yankees Offseason Moves
 
Release everyone and bring up the AA team. Fire all coaches and hire McDonalds employees.

andyfox 10-12-2005 01:06 PM

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They brought up Cano. You don't like him.

They drew 4,000,000 fans to the decrepit old ballpark in a decrepit neighborhood. They made tons of money, a lot of it given to the other teams in revenue sharing and luxury tax. They made the post-season for the eleventh consecutive time.

Without the Yankees, baseball is a minor league sport.

brettbrettr 10-12-2005 01:09 PM

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Without the Yankees, baseball is a minor league sport.

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Nice.

ThaSaltCracka 10-12-2005 01:17 PM

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They brought up Cano. You don't like him.

They drew 4,000,000 fans to the decrepit old ballpark in a decrepit neighborhood. They made tons of money, a lot of it given to the other teams in revenue sharing and luxury tax. They made the post-season for the eleventh conseuctive time.

Without the Yankees, baseball is a minor league sport.

[/ QUOTE ]Andy this is far to much reality for many baseball fans. However, it is 100% true. I can only imagine how much the ChiSox, Indians, Marlins, Nationals benefited from the Yankees and the Red Sox ridiculously high luxury tax.

TheRover 10-12-2005 01:21 PM

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I heard on an ESPN radio show this morning that a Penn State football game on cable had better ratings than every playoff game not involving NYY. I have no idea how to look it up, so take it fwiw...

DougOzzzz 10-12-2005 02:58 PM

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I can only imagine how much the ChiSox, Indians, Marlins, Nationals benefited from the Yankees and the Red Sox ridiculously high luxury tax.

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Yes, there were HUGE league wide benefits from the Red Sox ridiculously high luxury tax of $0.

10-12-2005 03:42 PM

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Without the Yankees, baseball is a minor league sport.

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lol. This is far dumber than anything I've ever said on here. "The Yankees" are a combination of players, who would otherwise be on other teams.

How would getting rid of this empire hurt the sport? It would only help.

wh1t3bread 10-12-2005 03:44 PM

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Without the Yankees, baseball is a minor league sport.

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lol. This is far dumber than anything I've ever said on here. "The Yankees" are a combination of players, who would otherwise be on other teams.

How would getting rid of this empire hurt the sport? It would only help.

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Perhaps the meaning behind this one is that without the Yankees who would "x" amount of people root for and the rest HATE?

10-12-2005 03:44 PM

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They brought up Cano. You don't like him.

They drew 4,000,000 fans to the decrepit old ballpark in a decrepit neighborhood. They made tons of money, a lot of it given to the other teams in revenue sharing and luxury tax. They made the post-season for the eleventh conseuctive time.

Without the Yankees, baseball is a minor league sport.

[/ QUOTE ]Andy this is far to much reality for many baseball fans. However, it is 100% true. I can only imagine how much the ChiSox, Indians, Marlins, Nationals benefited from the Yankees and the Red Sox ridiculously high luxury tax.

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In more ways than one! You see, since they bought all these 1-tool players, they became horrid horrid teams, which got beaten up by CWS and ANA.

10-12-2005 03:46 PM

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I heard on an ESPN radio show this morning that a Penn State football game on cable had better ratings than every playoff game not involving NYY. I have no idea how to look it up, so take it fwiw...

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This has nothing to do with true baseball fans who appreciate watching a good ballgame between any teams. You realize this, right?

EDIT: If it's ESPN radio, it's gotta be true. Even if this was true, all it would illustrate is how fair-weather NYY/BOS fans are, and that they only appreciate their own on TV.

ThaSaltCracka 10-12-2005 03:55 PM

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I can only imagine how much the ChiSox, Indians, Marlins, Nationals benefited from the Yankees and the Red Sox ridiculously high luxury tax.

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Yes, there were HUGE league wide benefits from the Red Sox ridiculously high luxury tax of $0.

[/ QUOTE ]oops, I meant revenue sharing [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

TheRover 10-12-2005 05:04 PM

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This has nothing to do with true baseball fans who appreciate watching a good ballgame between any teams. You realize this, right?

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Yes. What the hell does this have to do with anything I said? You realize that the number of "true" baseball fans is a very small % of sports fans?

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EDIT: If it's ESPN radio, it's gotta be true. Even if this was true, all it would illustrate is how fair-weather NYY/BOS fans are, and that they only appreciate their own on TV.

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I guess you missed or choose to ignore the "take it fwiw" part. Again, what the hell does the second sentence here have to do with anything? I was responding to Andy saying that without the Yankees MLB is a minor league sport. That's an exaggeration, but comparing the ratings of playoff games not involving NYY or BOS you might notice a slight difference.

andyfox 10-12-2005 07:21 PM

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There was a week not long ago where I believe I set the record for ill-informed posts, on the philosophy forum. You're coming very close, and it's only Wednesday. I'm pulling for you.

The Angels won the same number of games as the Yankees and the Red Sox; the White Sox won just four more. The difference between runs scored and runs allowed was about the same for all 4 teams.

Since the Yankees "bought all these one tool players," they made the playoffs eleven straight times, made the World Series six times, and won four championships. The Red Sox won their first World Series in eighty-five years. While the White Sox swept the Red Sox this year, the Red Sox swept the Angeles last year. These things happen in short series between two good teams.

What one-tool players have hurt the Yankees and Red Sox?

sublime 10-12-2005 09:13 PM

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There was a week not long ago where I believe I set the record for ill-informed posts, on the philosophy forum. You're coming very close, and it's only Wednesday. I'm pulling for you.

The Angels won the same number of games as the Yankees and the Red Sox; the White Sox won just four more. The difference between runs scored and runs allowed was about the same for all 4 teams.

Since the Yankees "bought all these one tool players," they made the playoffs eleven straight times, made the World Series six times, and won four championships. The Red Sox won their first World Series in eighty-five years. While the White Sox swept the Red Sox this year, the Red Sox swept the Angeles last year. These things happen in short series between two good teams.

What one-tool players have hurt the Yankees and Red Sox?

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Andy, stop wasting precious moments of your life on deaf ears (I know, I should follow the same advice).

ThaSaltCracka 10-12-2005 09:15 PM

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There was a week not long ago where I believe I set the record for ill-informed posts, on the philosophy forum. You're coming very close, and it's only Wednesday. I'm pulling for you.

The Angels won the same number of games as the Yankees and the Red Sox; the White Sox won just four more. The difference between runs scored and runs allowed was about the same for all 4 teams.

Since the Yankees "bought all these one tool players," they made the playoffs eleven straight times, made the World Series six times, and won four championships. The Red Sox won their first World Series in eighty-five years. While the White Sox swept the Red Sox this year, the Red Sox swept the Angeles last year. These things happen in short series between two good teams.

What one-tool players have hurt the Yankees and Red Sox?

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Andy, stop wasting precious moments of your life on deaf ears (I know, I should follow the same advice).

[/ QUOTE ]yeah for real, just ignore him.

sammysusar 10-12-2005 10:40 PM

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yeah the yankees have a great record of success but they also have triple the resources of most teams. so it is not quite so impressive. granted yankees management has done alot to maximize some of the revenue streams but give any owner and gm, the new york city market and the yanks history and they would be successful.
if baseball had completely revenue sharing( all tv and radio money shared equally - cant ever happen) i think the sport would be better like the nfl. and the yanks would not be the great dynasty of the late 90s to now.

Voltron87 10-12-2005 10:42 PM

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yeah the yankees have a great record of success but they also have triple the resources of most teams. so it is not quite so impressive. granted yankees management has done alot to maximize some of the revenue streams but give any owner and gm, the new york city market and the yanks history and they would be successful.
if baseball had completely revenue sharing( all tv and radio money shared equally - cant ever happen) i think the sport would be better like the nfl. and the yanks would not be the great dynasty of the late 90s to now.

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i dont think that people realize that during the 96-00 period the yankees payroll was 1/2 as much as it is now and they were not out of hand. they greatly, greatly outperformed their payroll by dominating in that period.

sammysusar 10-12-2005 10:46 PM

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yeah that is definitely true the spread between the yanks and indians in either 95 or 96 was yanks 85 mil. indians 50 mil.

Voltron87 10-12-2005 10:51 PM

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yeah that is definitely true the spread between the yanks and indians in either 95 or 96 was yanks 85 mil. indians 50 mil.

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i dont know what this is supposed to mean.

sammysusar 10-12-2005 10:52 PM

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in 1995 or 1996 when the indians were good their payroll was 50 mil. yanks payroll was 85 mil. since that time the gap has grown huge. i dont know the significance just what it was.

Voltron87 10-12-2005 10:55 PM

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in 1995 or 1996 when the indians were good their payroll was 50 mil. yanks payroll was 85 mil. since that time the gap has grown huge. i dont know the significance just what it was.

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oh ok.

what i meant was that during the yankees' most dominant period, they were not spending that much more than the other teams. whereas today they are waaay out ahead, and not even close to dominant.

cdxx 10-13-2005 02:38 PM

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Without the Yankees, baseball is a minor league sport.

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werd

HajiShirazu 10-13-2005 07:41 PM

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I totally agree, in fact I lost most of my interest in the playoffs once the Yanks lost, because it's much more compelling to see them lose to whoever in the world series. I mean, the Angels? Who are they?

cdxx 10-13-2005 08:44 PM

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I totally agree, in fact I lost all of my interest in the playoffs once the Yanks lost.

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FYP


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