Welcome to the real world retards.
 

Honestly I cant beleive the stupidity, the niavity and lack of any sort of world experience of a lot of members of this forum, some of the posts the last few days have just been mad and I thought this was meant to be the best place for discussion about poker on the net god help the others if thats the case.

You guys dont understand that Party is now a big corporate listed business and is starting to act like it. Many large companies make decisions that are unpopular with their client base but they move on regardless of complaints and most of their customers suck up and go with it.

I have seen companies that desupport software that major multimillion pound clients still want to use and kick up a fuss about guess what they upgrade and stay with the software, sales still grow etc etc. People get made redundant out of the blue all the time in the real world guess what they reskill or move on and adapt you guys need to do this too.

Some of sticking your chests out and saying I generate loads of rake a month so what even the biggest player here is a small drop in the profits ocean that Party generates you really have very little clout. PLus the majority will move to party and follow the fish whatever they are saying now.

It has been obvious from Party planning to list that this was going to happen its come on quicker than expected but it was still going to happen. Does Walmart let other supermarkets have a few rows of shelves in their stores of course not the skins are the equivilant, with empire listing they are ripe for a takeover Party needs to protect itself from that amongst other things.

In any job you have to adapt to change, reskill or whatever those that have lost your rakeback deals instead on bemoaning it look for new oppertunities if you want to do poker as a job then over the years you will ave to adapt to changes and a probable consolidation of the market in years to come.

I suspect the next big change will be a total revamp of the affiliate program its a stupid model they have at the moment paying out 25% forever on any affiliate accounts. I suspect a lowered percentage, or a time limit on payment or maybe a total switch over to lump sum payments. They may even cut out affilites altogether and go for more standard marketing. They need to increase growth but also get more out of the current customer base the affiliate program is an obvious place for this.

Instead of moaning and groaning and saying party are stupid or evil or whatever start looking at yourself what are you going to do to adapt to the ever changing face of the poker world. Dont like what party are doing then move elsewhere noone else is going to look out for you start taking some personal repsonsibility instead of whineing on about changes you cannot influence.

Lets see some intelligent debate instead of the idiocy and scaremongering, start thinking what you are going to do to plug the rake hole some of you are in instead of bemoaning your luck we dont do bad beats here, its real life you have ahad a major paycut do somthing about it.

A bit of a rant post but some of the stupidity on this forum has got me a bit pissed off.

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Kind of off topic but this reminds me of a special on cancer treatments I watched on TV.

A publicly traded pharmaceutical company discovered/invented
a cancer treatment that would cure a certain type of childrens cancer. This treatment could cure a deadly cancer!! It actually worked.

Wasn't lucrative enough for them to make a profit so they quit making it, now all the children that get this cancer will most likely die.

Thats big business for you.

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eat me

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Correct. Do something.

I'm already lining up a band of "friends" to have a perpetual "bonus award scheme".

They write their rules. I write mine.

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Your post reminded me of something.

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Wasn't lucrative enough for them to make a profit

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Do you really think a cure for cancer wouldn't be lucrative enough to turn a profit? I guess it does make for a good, "Greedy Corporations are Evil" story.

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honestly i cant believe how many people post in here to biatch about other people. and how much time did u spend typing out all that garbage?? u need to get a life and so do all the other people that have nine million posts all of them being a smart as s , and none of them are that bright!!!!lolhhahahahahah u dorks get a life

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Wasn't lucrative enough for them to make a profit

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Do you really think a cure for cancer wouldn't be lucrative enough to turn a profit? I guess it does make for a good, "Greedy Corporations are Evil" story.

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Not if it was for a rare cancer.

Mack

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honestly i cant believe how many people post in here to biatch about other people.

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LOL pettle bot clack

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You guys dont understand that Party is now a big corporate listed business and is starting to act like it. Many large companies make decisions that are unpopular with their client base but they move on regardless of complaints and most of their customers suck up and go with it.


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In todays business world, the idea of keeping your customers happy is paramount. All successful business go out of thier way to satisfy the needs and wants of thier consumers or they ultimately end up with no business and fail. From time to time, a company might do something that is unpopular with thier customers, but they quickly fix what has gone wrong and certainly dont do it again. I don't know what imaginary world you are living in, but in the real world, the customer comes first. without them, you have no business

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Wow, man boobs. I know you bat for the other side and all that, but is that ALL you think about? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Kind of off topic but this reminds me of a special on cancer treatments I watched on TV.

A publicly traded pharmaceutical company discovered/invented
a cancer treatment that would cure a certain type of childrens cancer. This treatment could cure a deadly cancer!! It actually worked.

Wasn't lucrative enough for them to make a profit so they quit making it, now all the children that get this cancer will most likely die.

Thats big business for you.

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Which company? What program was it, and what did they want you to think of it? What kind of cancer? Is it common?

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Usually i'm with you, but I couldn't disagree more with what you say here. Rakeback is irrelevant to me, but Party semed to have made a big mistake to me. The only reasonable explaination for their recent actions is that they don't see poker as their core future offering, reading through their recent interim statement has reinforced for me the view that this is in fact the case.

Party suggest they will seek more and more of their income from casino games, which is what I stated in a couple of my previous posts. No doubt the optimists who think this move is good for everyone will once again call me a fool for this. Such is life. ESADB.

Regards Mack

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Not if it was for a rare cancer.


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Let's see, PR value to the company for curing a rare childhood cancer, even at a loss, vs PR value to the company for refusing to produce the cure because it wouldn't be profitable.

Do you really think a corporation could kill a product like that without it being front page news or covered by cable news 24/7 for months?

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Kind of off topic but this reminds me of a special on cancer treatments I watched on TV.

A publicly traded pharmaceutical company discovered/invented
a cancer treatment that would cure a certain type of childrens cancer. This treatment could cure a deadly cancer!! It actually worked.

Wasn't lucrative enough for them to make a profit so they quit making it, now all the children that get this cancer will most likely die.

Thats big business for you.

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Which company? What program was it, and what did they want you to think of it? What kind of cancer? Is it common?

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Yeah, we're going to need more info before we call BS on this story. Not saying that the original post is BS, but oftentimes those late night "documentaries" are nothing but misleading conjecture.

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Kind of off topic but this reminds me of a special on cancer treatments I watched on TV.

A publicly traded pharmaceutical company discovered/invented
a cancer treatment that would cure a certain type of childrens cancer. This treatment could cure a deadly cancer!! It actually worked.

Wasn't lucrative enough for them to make a profit so they quit making it, now all the children that get this cancer will most likely die.

Thats big business for you.

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Which company? What program was it, and what did they want you to think of it? What kind of cancer? Is it common?

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Dunno about the cancer but can give two examples just form one huge american software company Oracle. They desupported the financials package which caused a huge fuss as there were a lot of clients still planning on using it big huge corporations. The compromise was they would support existing bugs so it was out get out clause sorry development wont do anything new on this now.

Also their recent takeover of peoplesoft was not appreciated by many of poeplesofts client base some of whome will move to sap etc but most will stay with Oracle and at some point in the future will have to move over to the new merged peoplesoft/oracle combined software.

What party has done isnt even that big or radical, if a company is big enough has a strong customer base and market share they will push on regardless of knocking a few applecarts over, yes they may make measures to smooth things over but they will make plans and push on if it matches their strategy.

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You guys dont understand that Party is now a big corporate listed business and is starting to act like it. Many large companies make decisions that are unpopular with their client base but they move on regardless of complaints and most of their customers suck up and go with it.


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In todays business world, the idea of keeping your customers happy is paramount. All successful business go out of thier way to satisfy the needs and wants of thier consumers or they ultimately end up with no business and fail. From time to time, a company might do something that is unpopular with thier customers, but they quickly fix what has gone wrong and certainly dont do it again. I don't know what imaginary world you are living in, but in the real world, the customer comes first. without them, you have no business

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Amen, Coca-Cola new taste is a good example.

Mack

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Not saying that I believe the story but take a minute to think about what would happen to the medical community if there was a cure for cancer tomorrow. Do you realize how much money they make off of treating that?

At the end of the day they are a business just like anyone else.

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Kind of off topic but this reminds me of a special on cancer treatments I watched on TV.

A publicly traded pharmaceutical company discovered/invented
a cancer treatment that would cure a certain type of childrens cancer. This treatment could cure a deadly cancer!! It actually worked.

Wasn't lucrative enough for them to make a profit so they quit making it, now all the children that get this cancer will most likely die.

Thats big business for you.

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I have a hard time believing this.

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Not if it was for a rare cancer.


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Let's see, PR value to the company for curing a rare childhood cancer, even at a loss, vs PR value to the company for refusing to produce the cure because it wouldn't be profitable.

Do you really think a corporation could kill a product like that without it being front page news or covered by cable news 24/7 for months?

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Cancer is a poor example, but lets put it another way, would big pharma research into drugs they didn't think could be economically viable? [end hijack]

Mack

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Usually i'm with you, but I couldn't disagree more with what you say here. Rakeback is irrelevant to me, but Party semed to have made a big mistake to me. The only reasonable explaination for their recent actions is that they don't see poker as their core future offering, reading through their recent interim statement has reinforced for me the view that this is in fact the case.

Party suggest they will seek more and more of their income from casino games, which is what I stated in a couple of my previous posts. No doubt the optimists who think this move is good for everyone will once again call me a fool for this. Such is life. ESADB.

Regards Mack

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Party is pretty big and probably has cash from the share issues plus steady cash flow, I expect them to be a company on the aquisition trail to be honest I expected them just to takeover Empire during the takeover talks recently I thought they would make a move rather than have a rival get onto their platform, this may be a masterstoke devalue them completely then absorb them into party.

They will expand and I am sure their business will change which is the main key point of the post people need to start adapting to change instead of bemoaning their luck.

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Not if it was for a rare cancer.


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Let's see, PR value to the company for curing a rare childhood cancer, even at a loss, vs PR value to the company for refusing to produce the cure because it wouldn't be profitable.

Do you really think a corporation could kill a product like that without it being front page news or covered by cable news 24/7 for months?

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Unfortunately it can be true. It is unlikely this was killed in a late stage (after making clinical trials and getting approved by FDA) before going to market. But it is well known that big pharma don't even bother to do research on rare forms of cancer (i.e. no siginificant return) or widespread diseases amongst poor poeple (see malaria). However DON'T shoot the pharma. They are no angels but they have no other choice. And they cure ppl. They don't run gambling sites.

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My main point would be that they will most definitely start pushing the fish towards games where Party get 100% of the money, that may be good for Party, but it's one more new problem for poker players. The game may well be in for big changes, I think some people don't like to admit how important Party and skins have been to their success in poker.

Mack

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You guys dont understand that Party is now a big corporate listed business and is starting to act like it. Many large companies make decisions that are unpopular with their client base but they move on regardless of complaints and most of their customers suck up and go with it.


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In todays business world, the idea of keeping your customers happy is paramount. All successful business go out of thier way to satisfy the needs and wants of thier consumers or they ultimately end up with no business and fail. From time to time, a company might do something that is unpopular with thier customers, but they quickly fix what has gone wrong and certainly dont do it again. I don't know what imaginary world you are living in, but in the real world, the customer comes first. without them, you have no business

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No they will what they think is the best for short and long term growth and expansion, the current customer does not always come first, has party upset the majority of their customers I suspect not and those that they have upset will either move to other sites or the majority will be on party cos its in their best interest ot be.

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Spoken like a true know-nothing who thinks he knows everything. You go on for about 8 paragraphs saying nothing more than that Party is a business Then you misunderstand that, like any business, to be successful Party must consider its customer base.

Ironic that someone who chastises others for having no real-world experience obviously has such little business sense.

Useless anti-business tirade with zero content.

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It is unlikely this was killed in a late stage (after making clinical trials and getting approved by FDA)

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Which is the time they can say "we have a cure".

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But it is well known that big pharma don't even bother to do research on rare forms of cancer

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Significantly different from stopping a product they had completed.

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I frequently compare online-poker rake-back policies to finding a cure for cancer.

Aren't they one and the same?

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Do you realize how much money they make off of treating that?


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So, there wouldn't be any money in curing it?

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Then you misunderstand that, like any business, to be successful Party must consider its customer base.
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The mistake people are making i thinking their majority customer base posts on 2+2 and had rakeback on the skins.

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I frequently compare online-poker rake-back policies to finding a cure for cancer.

Aren't they one and the same?

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I'm sorry Bob I could never get mad at you, it wasn't my comparison though. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Mack

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What it comes down to is the sense of entitlement. I have no idea where people get it. Party is a business and you are their customers.

They are not ENTITLED to you as customers (aka you have the freedom to choose other poker rooms or not play)

You are not ENTITLED to the services/games that Party offers at any given time. If Party wants to make a stupid business decision they have the right to.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be upset, I would be upset if something cost me a bunch of money, no matter the reason, but you didn't get robbed or anything, a company was providing a service you were taking advantage of and now they no longer provide that service.

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It is unlikely this was killed in a late stage (after making clinical trials and getting approved by FDA)

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Which is the time they can say "we have a cure".

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But it is well known that big pharma don't even bother to do research on rare forms of cancer

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Significantly different from stopping a product they had completed.

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If this is the case then I don't believe it as well. For a drug to make to the market it takes 12-15 years and $800 million on average. You don't withdraw it from the market unless there are side-effects, a competitor has made a WAY better one, the company is sold or went bust etc.

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Ironic that someone who chastises others for having no real-world experience.



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When you are self employed like people here you have to look after yourself and adapt and move on if you get a knock back then you have to look at new areas and opportunities, people here think that Party owes them a living I disagree with this sentiment. Even when employed you can get that phone call out of the blue and there you are out of work what are you going to do wait for somoen to feed you somthing on a plate or get out there retrain reskill and get on with it.

I had no anti business sentiment in my post more anti people who moan on and think the world owes them a living and seem to think the sky is falling every time a little bit of change comes along.

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Do you have anything to suggest they don't? Check out the 10/5 disclosure that was just posted.

And, if that's your point then you should have said that without all the other bullshit. There's plenty of room for differences of opinion but your post contributes nothing to the conversation and does it with a self-important tone that is completely inconsistent with the worthlessness of the post.

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Sure for the one company that did it, however, your average hospital would go bankrupt if their oncology division was empty. I know two CFO's of hospitals and they absolutely look at this as a business and both told me that if it were cured tomorrow they would be out of business within the month.

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Oh, the world owes me a living.
Oh, the world owes me a living.
You shouldn't soil your Sunday pants
just like those other foolish ants.
Come on, let's play and sing and dance

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Mack

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if it were cured tomorrow they would be out of business within the month.


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Then someone at the top is incompetent.

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Do you have anything to suggest they don't? Check out the 10/5 disclosure that was just posted.

And, if that's your point then you should have said that without all the other bullshit. There's plenty of room for differences of opinion but your post contributes nothing to the conversation and does it with a self-important tone that is completely inconsistent with the worthlessness of the post.

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Its an internet message board talking crap in a self important tone is mandatory I thought.

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You guys dont understand that Party is now a big corporate listed business and is starting to act like it. Many large companies make decisions that are unpopular with their client base but they move on regardless of complaints and most of their customers suck up and go with it.


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In todays business world, the idea of keeping your customers happy is paramount. All successful business go out of thier way to satisfy the needs and wants of thier consumers or they ultimately end up with no business and fail. From time to time, a company might do something that is unpopular with thier customers, but they quickly fix what has gone wrong and certainly dont do it again. I don't know what imaginary world you are living in, but in the real world, the customer comes first. without them, you have no business

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This completely misunderstands how Party makes money. Successful companies piss off their customers on purpose all the time. It all comes down to what will be most profitable.

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Party didn't screw their customers they screwed the skins customers. I'm a Party player and always have been and all the changes at the weekend have done for me is make the games a little softer.

I don't know the numbers but I guess if only 1 in 4 skin players switches to Party they will see a net gain in revenue.