i got my post deleted?
 

my post was here:

I am not attempting to hi-jack this thread and I respect the forum's rules. But several posts have questioned the credibility of an offer that most on this forum know I am associated with.

We have developed the offer and the mechanisms for converting an old Party account to a new PartyPoker based on straight-forward representations with PartyPoker. The commitments that we made in our offer will be implemented in conjunction with Party Poker directly. There are no "work around" solutions involved in our offer. Accounts have already been converted doing exactly what we committed to in our offer.

it was deleted from this thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...=1#Post3637811

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yeah stox, we get your offer. please whore some more.

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Can anyone use this method to switch Party accounts over?

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Where did morgant's post go?

The impartiality of the mods/2p2 is seriously starting to look bad. Delete stuff in your own paid-for forums but coming to the Internet Gambling forum and posting, then deleting it? In a forum you're not paying for? Stuff like that does not make 2p2 look good at all.

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I will say one thing, its fun to see all these affiliates bickering at each other...

http://www.snappypopcorn.com/images/tubs.jpg

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yeah stox, we get your offer. please whore some more.

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If you're going to make a post like this you should state that you are in direct competition with him.

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Where did morgant's post go?

The impartiality of the mods/2p2 is seriously starting to look bad. Delete stuff in your own paid-for forums but coming to the Internet Gambling forum and posting, then deleting it? In a forum you're not paying for? Stuff like that does not make 2p2 look good at all.

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No kidding. It's like "Welcome to our fast food forums" but any post by Wendy's, Burger King, Taco Bell or KFC is deleted - but any post prasing McDonalds stays up and gets repeatedly praised. It's just pure BS plain and simple.

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yeah stox, we get your offer. please whore some more.

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If you're going to make a post like this you should state that you are in competition with him.

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As am I.

I also know that this 'mechanism' of which he speaks is not privy to his site. Other affiliates that are aware of this, are mature enough to wait until the debris settles before making public announcements on private forums (whats that called in techspeak?, oh yeah spam).

This stuff is kept quiet for a reason.

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Where did morgant's post go?

The impartiality of the mods/2p2 is seriously starting to look bad. Delete stuff in your own paid-for forums but coming to the Internet Gambling forum and posting, then deleting it? In a forum you're not paying for? Stuff like that does not make 2p2 look good at all.

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No kidding. It's like "Welcome to our fast food forums" but any post by Wendy's, Burger King, Taco Bell or KFC is deleted - but any post prasing McDonalds stays up and gets repeatedly praised. It's just pure BS plain and simple.

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Obviously the Affiliate/RB forum sucks and is not in the best interest of 2+2ers. Its a sponsored forum, you're not going to get the best information and people are going to abuse their powers.

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yeah stox, we get your offer. please whore some more.

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If you're going to make a post like this you should state that you are in competition with him.

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As am I.

I also know that this 'mechanism' of which he speaks is not privy to his site. Other affiliates that are aware of this, are mature enough to wait until the debris settles before making public announcements on private forums (whats that called in techspeak?, oh yeah spam).

This stuff is kept quiet for a reason.

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When one representative (Inthacup) makes a post saying that the prospect of rakeback isn't looking good and another representative (stoxtrader) has information going against that, it's in everyone's best interest that we hear this information so that an informed conclusion on what is really going on can be reached.

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When one representative (Inthacup) makes a post saying that the prospect of rakeback isn't looking good and another representative (stoxtrader) has information going against that, it's in everyone's best interest that we hear this information so that an informed conclusion on what is really going on can be reached.

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Unfortunately, 2p2 is not here for us. It is here to make the publishers money. Censoring information that isn't making them money and isn't good for the people giving them money, no matter how useful, will obviously happen without question.

I just feel bad for all the people that think 2p2 cares about the information on this board instead of the money the ads bring in. I'm not complaining, obviously they're not going to give all this away for free, but the shadowy censorship is pretty annoying.

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yeah stox, we get your offer. please whore some more.

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If you're going to make a post like this you should state that you are in competition with him.

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As am I.

I also know that this 'mechanism' of which he speaks is not privy to his site. Other affiliates that are aware of this, are mature enough to wait until the debris settles before making public announcements on private forums (whats that called in techspeak?, oh yeah spam).

This stuff is kept quiet for a reason.

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When one representative (Inthacup) makes a post saying that the prospect of rakeback isn't looking good and another representative (stoxtrader) has information going against that, it's in everyone's best interest that we hear this information so that an informed conclusion on what is really going on can be reached.

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I can see your point. I hope you can see mine. At worst several other affiliates will be offering the same type of setup, at best something even 'accepted' by Party.

The original post was not a Public Service Announcement, but a sales pitch is all i mean.

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The information stox provides in this post is of minimal use to a player. It is little more than an announcement that Stox is offering Party rakeback. Like he said, it is well known that rakeback is currently being offered. What isn't known is how safe it is or if it is official. If his approach was more informative and less of an ad, then we would have left it up.

If Stox has some official information from Party regarding rakeback, I would be happy to hear it. The fact that he's offering rakeback when affiliate managers are saying 'don't do rakeback' is NOT helpful to a player. It is dangerous. Even if he was given permission from an affiliate manager, it is clear that even the affiliate department is still unsure of how to proceed. Is now really the best time to sign up for rakeback?

I WANT Party to allow rakeback. But, Party has shown on several occasions that they do not want rakeback to be offered. Jumping into an unofficial rakeback deal is highly risky and Stox should know better than to put players at that kind of risk without more clarification.


Cup

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I didn't know Stox offered rakeback until this thread.

I DID KNOW that most of the "moderating" that occurs on this site is beyond hypocritical.

Carry on.

-SC

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Given the nature of the forum it was posted in and the status of the moderators of that forum the motives behind deleting it are highly questionable. A significantly better alternative would have been a reply stating what what is known and a request for elaboration. We are all just hungry for as much information as possible. A lot of us are smart enough to sort it out for ourselves.

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I see your point. I took his post as a counter to the doomsday oh no now it seems like we can't get rakeback posts that popped up today. He didn't even mention his site.

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The original post was not a Public Service Announcement, but a sales pitch is all i mean.

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How was it a sales pitch? He didn't even mention his site.

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Next Party Affiliate meeting:

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The original post was not a Public Service Announcement, but a sales pitch is all i mean.

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How was it a sales pitch? He didn't even mention his site.

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Splitting hairs.

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Obviously the Affiliate/RB forum sucks and is not in the best interest of 2+2ers. Its a sponsored forum, you're not going to get the best information and people are going to abuse their powers.


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you are on fire tonite sponger

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The name Stoxtrader is practically synonymous with his site. His URL is in his profile and I'm sure he's getting tons of PMs as I'm typing this. He doesn't need to mention his site to effectively advertise.

I like Stox. He seems like a good guy, and all the conversations I've had with him have been congenial. I'd like him to be a part of the A/R forum, but posts like this aren't going to fly.

Cup

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As I see it. If you are not a member of whatever group of affiliates paid 2+2 the rent on the A/F forum your post is gone.

I will not become a customer of any of these affiliates until they stop acting like children.


You need to identify yourself and put your offer into the open


Any vegetable knows that.

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It seems to me that there is going to be a best offer that pretty much everyone affiliated with 2+2 is going to be looking for. You might as well make it openly known.

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I am not an affiliate of any site. Finally someone agrees with me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Your avatar is getting old.

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Everyone is out in the open...spend a few hours and read through the threads. Look at the moderators. Look at who is responding and what they are saying. It's all fairly obvious and out in the open. If you're looking at someone to rely on fo a few hundred, or thousand, in kickbacks each month , you should put in some legwork and research. Also, check other sites. Google and look around. Don't make 2+2 your only source, but weigh it in to your decision. Personally, I've found the aff/rb forum helpful. Maybe, not optimal from my perspective, but helpful.

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You really think so.

Someone with your username really sucks at Party $.50/1.00 O/8.

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You really think so.

Someone with your username really sucks at Party $.50/1.00 O/8.

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Probably me, but I'm doing quite well at 2/4...go figure

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A couple quick things.

1. We are not going to publicly disclose our arrangement on these boards, mostly for competitive reasons.

2. We do not offer [censored]. We offer player award bonuses.

3. verifying this with party may or may not satisfy many of you, basically depends who the email gets too.

4. other affiliates are understandably miffed that we are *somewhat* "first to market". I encourage them to follow suit. Some already have, some may have even beat us, but we might have cast a wider net so to speak.

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2. We do not offer [censored]. We offer player award bonuses.


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Could you describe the difference please?

Lori

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Actually I see you cross posted this. Would you be so kind as to reply in the other thread in the correct forum.

Thanks

Lori

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2. We do not offer [censored]. We offer player award bonuses.


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Could you describe the difference please?

Lori

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The important difference is that one is allowed. That is all I will say about this.

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LOL, so everything is AOK if we call a spade a club. This whole thing is becoming rather farcical....

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LOL, so everything is AOK if we call a spade a club. This whole thing is becoming rather farcical....

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As long as its a revenue stream to you, do you really care what its called? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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i work with stox and it's by far the best ::cough cough:: provider that i've worked with. highly reccomended.

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LOL, so everything is AOK if we call a spade a club. This whole thing is becoming rather farcical....

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no, the difference between player rewards bonuses and rakeback is clearly more like the difference between a blue diamond and a red diamond. and if you can't see the difference between a blue diamond and a red one then you're a [censored] idiot.

blue is obviously much prettier

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The information stox provides in this post is of minimal use to a player. It is little more than an announcement that Stox is offering Party rakeback.

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How is it of little use to the player when previously in the thread he replied to, someone makes total opposite claims?

Everyone knows why it was deleted. It was deleted because money bought you guys the opportunity to do so.

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Did you read the first 2 sentences then stop?

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...Like he said, it is well known that rakeback is currently being offered. What isn't known is how safe it is or if it is official. If his approach was more informative and less of an ad, then we would have left it up.


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Here are some answers that would have been helpful for him to answer:

1. Have you discussed this directly with an affiliate manager
2 Are you working directly with PartyPoker or with a 3rd party
3. Do you have any confirmation that this is something that Party won't try to stop in the near future? If so, why not provide it?
4. Do you have any information on the alternative that Party is creating and how it will affect the rakeback you're giving?
5. Can I borrow $50?

From what I've seen, affiliates are blinded by the rush to grab market share and are showing little concern for the long term ramifications of their actions. Are these recent actions not a wake-up call? Party has seperated itself from the skins because of rakeback. They axed individual tracking because of rakeback. Only in the last month has the individual tracking been re-opened, but that's only for existing trackers. New trackers have to wait 60 days before the stats can be seen.

These are not the actions of a company that seems to be willing to offer rakeback under the table.


Cup

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5. Can I borrow $50?

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There are seven capital sins: Pride, avarice, envy, wrath, lust, gluttony, and sloth.

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From what I've seen, affiliates are blinded by the rush to grab market share and are showing little concern for the long term ramifications of their actions.

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This is your OPINION.
That does not make it FACT.

If Stox has a DIFFERENT opinion than you then doesn't make it incorrect.


(note - I did not see the original post that was banned....but my impression is that stox was also expressing a different opinion on this matter AND also mentioned some details WHY he thought this).