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Why was Cano called out on interference? I understand having to "run inside the box", but considering the box is on the outside of the foul line and the base is on the inside, how is this possible? It's not like Cano changed direction to try to interfere.

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You are supposed to run in foul territory, and touch the bag with your left foot when running out a single. You cannot have your body in fair territory. It's just another example of poor fundamentals coming from the $200M dollar baseball team. Dumbest players $$ can buy.

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You are supposed to run in foul territory, and touch the bag with your left foot when running out a single. You cannot have your body in fair territory. It's just another example of poor fundamentals coming from the $200M dollar baseball team. Dumbest players $$ can buy.

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Gee can you make it more obvious who you are rooting for? Even McCarver said that if Cano was outside the line, it would have interfered more than the way he ran.

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You are supposed to run in foul territory, and touch the bag with your left foot when running out a single. You cannot have your body in fair territory. It's just another example of poor fundamentals coming from the $200M dollar baseball team. Dumbest players $$ can buy.

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Gee can you make it more obvious who you are rooting for? Even McCarver said that if Cano was outside the line, it would have interfered more than the way he ran.

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So what? McCarver would only say something like that to make it look like the Angels got away with something.

Go to your local baseball fields and consult a little-leaguer about the rule, if you are further perplexed.

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Go to your local baseball fields and consult a little-leaguer about the rule, if you are further perplexed.

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Dude, STFU. Seriously.

GoT

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Go to your local baseball fields and consult a little-leaguer about the rule, if you are further perplexed.

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Dude, STFU. Seriously.

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I love how you can't have an intelligent conversation about a Yankee game with a Yankee hater. Had Cano been 2 feet inside or changed his running path, I wouldn't even be asking this question. But it looks to me that as soon as Cano struck out, he just ran down the line as fast as he could.

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Go to your local baseball fields and consult a little-leaguer about the rule, if you are further perplexed.

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Dude, STFU. Seriously.

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I love how you can't have an intelligent conversation about a Yankee game with a Yankee hater. Had Cano been 2 feet inside or changed his running path, I wouldn't even be asking this question. But it looks to me that as soon as Cano struck out, he just ran down the line as fast as he could.

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The throw went exactly where it should've. Erstad was set up outside which is completely wrong and Cano probably didn't want a collision and so shifted his path slightly toward the inside. It should've been a no-call IMO, and I don't care too much who wins this game but have found myself rooting against the Yankees slightly for some reason. If the 1B sets up outside it's his own damn fault if he's not able to make a play on the ball.

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nice assesment GoT, I agree completely.

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nice assesment GoT, I agree completely.

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So do I. That was the whole reason I asked. Obviously on a play like A-Rod did last year would be called interference, but w/ Cano I wasn't sure.

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Go to your local baseball fields and consult a little-leaguer about the rule, if you are further perplexed.

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Dude, STFU. Seriously.

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hell no. The guy is asking about a rule that 4 year olds know. As if the ump made a bad call?? This is supposed to be a rookie of the year candidate and he runs in the base path?

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The catcher doesn't care where he sets up... he just throws it down. Your logic is silly. The rule is the rule. The defense did nothing wrong there. Calling that a "non-call" in a game this important is ridiculous.

If Cano is in foul territory and the catcher hits him in the back, Cano is safe, and it's Molina's "fault" for not catching the ball smoothly.

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nice assesment GoT, I agree completely.

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So do I. That was the whole reason I asked. Obviously on a play like A-Rod did last year would be called interference, but w/ Cano I wasn't sure.

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Cano has no EFFING clue where the catcher is, nor should he care. He needs to worry about running in the basepath. You're talking as if Cano knowingly ran in fair territory to make it easier on Molina. Jeez. Cano effed up. That's it. No excuse for not knowing fundamentals. Especially at this level, in a game this important.

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The catcher doesn't care where he sets up... he just throws it down.

[/ QUOTE ] this is one of the dumbest things I have heard in the sports forum in a long time.

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The catcher doesn't care where he sets up... he just throws it down.

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It's the thrower's job to get it to the bag, the first sacker needs to be in position to catch it, not vice versa. The catcher doesn't go "Well erstad is set up inside, but Cano is in my path, oh well I'll just bean him."

Instead its Erstad who needs to think "I gotta give Bengie a wide target here and catch the ball.", not "I'm settin' up inside, and if Benjie throws it outside, well F him."

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The catcher doesn't care where he sets up... he just throws it down.

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This is completely absolutely false. The call is INSIDE-INSIDE on those plays. The catcher's job is to throw a catchable ball INSIDE the base path. There's absolutely no question about it. None.

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If Cano is in foul territory and the catcher hits him in the back, Cano is safe

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Exactly. That's why correctly trained and coached catchers and 1B know the throw should always go inside on dropped third strikes and bunts or grounders in front of the plate.

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Yeah, dude is a dipshit.

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You are supposed to run in foul territory, and touch the bag with your left foot when running out a single. You cannot have your body in fair territory. It's just another example of poor fundamentals coming from the $200M dollar baseball team. Dumbest players $$ can buy.

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yes cause money really bought cano...

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yes cause money really bought cano...

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Well you know, he is making $20 mil as a rookie. Imagine how much he'll be making in 5 years?
Not to mention the fact that in sports your current salary has nothing to do with your current production.

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Yeah, actually I don't think Estad catches the throw even if Cano is in foul territory. But it wasn't a bad call by the ump. Cano was a little bit inside the field of play. Like I said in the other thread, if it's Jeter, I don't think the ump makes the call.

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Watch the catcher next time on such plays. If it's a bunt, or swinging bunt, out in front of the plate, the catcher will go towards the pitcher's mound before making the throw, so as to throw it around the runner. If it's not a close play, on a passed ball or wild pitch, the catcher will throw it from behind the plate, which give a good angle to not hit the runner.

But in this case, the ball squirted out to a place such that Molina had no angle, and, since Cano is relatively fast, no time to adjust. So he did the best he could. It's very rare for an umpire to make that call when Cano was just, if anything, a few inches inside the line in fair territory. Cano should have run right into Erstad because Erstad was set up in foul territory. Like I said, if it's a veteran, say, Jeter, who had run the same route, I don't think the call is made. (Same thing with the error on Cano the other night when he took his foot off the bag ahead of A-Rod's throw.)

Sometimes you see a play and a guy is flagrantly in fair territory and you know if the throw hits him he's going to be called out. You rarely see this play called by the ump unless the throw hits the runner because if it doesn't hit him, where's he's running usually doesn't interfere with the throw.

People are also forgetting that no run would have scored on the play. The Yankees would have had bases loaded with two out and Williams, who wasn't swinging the bat very well, coming up. Obviously they'd love to have had the opportunity. What killed the inning was Sheffield and Matsui not being able to do anything after the first two guys got on base.

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The Cano Baserunning Flub is the new A-Rod Slap.

momentum killers.

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Andy, aside from the great post, you are wasting your breath.

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yes cause money really bought cano...

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Well you know, he is making $20 mil as a rookie. Imagine how much he'll be making in 5 years?
Not to mention the fact that in sports your current salary has nothing to do with your current production.

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A-Rod and Jeter combine for like $44M per year. Yet neither one (especially CAPTAIN JETER) is wise enough to make sure rookies know how to "play the game the right way--like a true YANKEE". LOLOL.

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Yeah, they should have reminded him, by the way, when you strike out, and the ball gets away from the catcher, run an inch or two to the right of where you might just in case the umpire makes an arguable call against you.

In forty-five years, I've never seen that call made unless the ball hits the runner. And I've never seen that call made when it's questionable whether the runner was inside the line or not, as Cano was only when there's no question the batter was running in fair territory.

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The catcher doesn't care where he sets up... he just throws it down.

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Although it may have been stated better, the fact of the matter is that the throw was to the inside of the bag. This supports K-Steel's point. The defense is entitled to the inside in which to make the throw. It is a fundamental rule that the runner shall stay on the outside of the line.

Just because Erstad set up incorrectly does not change the rule. If the throw was to the outside (and thus there would be literal interference, but not interference by rule) the defense assumes the risk ... that is the runner's territory.

The rule is enforced at all levels of the game, it is enforced throught the MLB season. When I watched the play, first thing I though was runner's interference. Whether Cano changed to avoid where he "thought" the throw was heading is irrelevant: He ran on the inside, the throw was on the inside - that is interference.

Whether you agree with the rule is not the issue. In reality, the play would have been fundamental had Erstad set up where he was supposed to.

A professional athelete has little excuse for not doing the "little" things right. Cano should have been running outside of the line.

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Yeah, they should have reminded him, by the way, when you strike out, and the ball gets away from the catcher, run an inch or two to the right of where you might just in case the umpire makes an arguable call against you.

In forty-five years, I've never seen that call made unless the ball hits the runner. And I've never seen that call made when it's questionable whether the runner was inside the line or not, as Cano was only when there's no question the batter was running in fair territory.

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Well said. This was a debatable call, a close one at best, and I can't believe people are talking like it makes Cano the retard of the year.

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Although it may have been stated better, the fact of the matter is that the throw was to the inside of the bag. This supports K-Steel's point. The defense is entitled to the inside in which to make the throw.

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Whether you agree with the rule is not the issue. In reality, the play would have been fundamental had Erstad set up where he was supposed to.



[/ QUOTE ] his whole point was that the players don't set up for that throw in a particular spot, the catcher just throws it down there, which is simply not true, as you have pointed out.

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yes cause money really bought cano...

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Well you know, he is making $20 mil as a rookie. Imagine how much he'll be making in 5 years?
Not to mention the fact that in sports your current salary has nothing to do with your current production.

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A-Rod and Jeter combine for like $44M per year. Yet neither one (especially CAPTAIN JETER) is wise enough to make sure rookies know how to "play the game the right way--like a true YANKEE". LOLOL.

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On behalf of Yankee haters that prefer not to act like douchebags, please go away.

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If you guys stopped quoting K Steel then I'd really be able to ignore him.

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Yeah, they should have reminded him, by the way, when you strike out, and the ball gets away from the catcher, run an inch or two to the right of where you might just in case the umpire makes an arguable call against you.

In forty-five years, I've never seen that call made unless the ball hits the runner. And I've never seen that call made when it's questionable whether the runner was inside the line or not, as Cano was only when there's no question the batter was running in fair territory.

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Well said. This was a debatable call, a close one at best, and I can't believe people are talking like it makes Cano the retard of the year.

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Well he wasn't righteous, and it certainly didn't help much. The only thing worse here would have been for him to just throw his helmet off and walk away instead of even running down there.

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yes cause money really bought cano...

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Well you know, he is making $20 mil as a rookie. Imagine how much he'll be making in 5 years?
Not to mention the fact that in sports your current salary has nothing to do with your current production.

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A-Rod and Jeter combine for like $44M per year. Yet neither one (especially CAPTAIN JETER) is wise enough to make sure rookies know how to "play the game the right way--like a true YANKEE". LOLOL.

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On behalf of Yankee haters that prefer not to act like douchebags, please go away.

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You're right...Cano made a quality Yankee-like play that will be remembered for years to come. Kudos to you for recognizing good baserunning by a rookie-of-the-year candidate.

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If you guys stopped quoting K Steel then I'd really be able to ignore him.

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You'll be missing out on a lot of quality information if you ignore me. Don't do a disservice to yourself.

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If you guys stopped quoting K Steel then I'd really be able to ignore him.

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After his 2nd reply last night when I realized how stupid he was, I did decide to ignore him. It's great!

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And here you are, a bald guy who had a great baseball career with both the Giants and D-Backs, asking silly questions about baseball?

You deserve to be harassed.

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K Steel, this is a first for me, replying to an ignore notice. But I noticed that you seem to be spending a lot of time ignoring people and even more notifying them. You might consider either:

1. Never posting again
2. Killing yourself

I, for one, have no preference but strongly think you choose at least one.

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K Steel, this is a first for me, replying to an ignore notice. But I noticed that you seem to be spending a lot of time ignoring people and even more notifying them. You might consider either:

1. Never posting again
2. Killing yourself

I, for one, have no preference but strongly think you choose at least one.

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wtf are you talking about? I don't ignore anyone and I obviously don't tell anyone I'm ignoring them... wtf are you saying?

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A broader thought about Cano. I have watched him all year and he has the potential to be a star, but still needs a lot of work on his hitting,fielding and running. I don't think that Torre should be fired over this, but I blame him a bit by not giving him more flake over his problems.

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Is the first baseman allowed to stand in foul territory and block the path of the runner attempting to cross first base?

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Is the first baseman allowed to stand in foul territory and block the path of the runner attempting to cross first base?

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This was the case earlier this year when Rolen ran into HEE SEOP CHOI and dislocated his shoulder. lol.

Not a good idea.