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Hello everyone -
I have been playing off and on online for a few years but have just decided to try and take it to the next level. I have scanned this forum and found some information about things which are all new to me - rakebacks, bonus whoring, building a bankroll etc. I'm having trouble putting it all together.
Here is my current situation: I have just over $100 in a Paradise account (My initial deposit of 3 years ago had dropped to $7 but I have built it back up in the past month). I have no Neteller or any other type of acount. I have read TOP and SSH. I have also read general post here about building a bankroll in the micro's but wonder if all the info in them still applies. So tell me . . .
Where do I go from here? [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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what limits do you play?
what are your goals with respect to poker?

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what limits do you play?
what are your goals with respect to poker?

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Have worked my way up this month from 0.5-0.10 to .25-.50 over the past month. I'm playing two tables keeping BR at about 200 BB and then moving up when I get there. Long term I'd like to build a BR to play at high limits online with occasional trips to B&M's for live play. Don't plan to quit my dayjob (I'm a doc and went to school to long to give it up [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]) but I wouldn't mind some extra income ...

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I would start by re-reading the SSH book and sharpen your skills at maybe the .15/.30 level as you have the bankroll at that level (300BB). I am not familar with Paridise poker with there tables but I know that party poker has .15/.30 table. I would also start up the neteller account so that you can transfer money from site to site so that you get the bonuses.

Hopefully this will help! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Thanks!
Paradise skips from .10-.20 to .25-.50 so that's where I am until I get a larger BR. Is it worth switching to Party for different limits / more play?

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Do you own any books?

First things first.

READ
Small Stakes Hold'em can be your first book. IT DOES NOT TEACH THE VERY BASICS OF HOLD'EM.

To learn these i advise you use google, i'd not personally not bother buying a book for this purpose... The cost and the information gained is not worth it IMO. Personally i brought ITH but i could have learnt fair bit from GOOGLE.com and this forum.

This book(Small stake sholdem however covers intermediate concepts) and other things you can apply to your game.

Bonuses
If you have over $40, Take it to SPORTINGBET.COM they offer $100 bonus which you can clear at .10/.20. Play your normal game if your not in a rush, i personally cleared it by playing EVERYONE HAND PREFLOP and then played my "post flop game" as i would(Meaning i usually folded after seeing the flop due to holding junk).

Its CONTRIBUTED RAKE so if you play most hands they will count towards clearing it and soon as you reach 500 you get the $100.(Well $30 after 100 hands, then the $70 after 400 more).

once you've cleared this you will have $140minimum(assuming you break even and deposited $40 originally).

Now go to Casino.net - Same bonus, yep you guessed it.
$100 for 500 hands, CONTRIBUTED RAKE. Clear this.

Now you have atleast $240... Congratulations.

You've been to paradise so you cant do the 50% $100 bonus.

Anyhow now you have $240, Go to POKERSTARS.COM.

You will get a deposit bonus and be able to play any games, maybe .25/.50 if you've read/understood/Re-read SMALL STAKES HOLD'EM.

Now go and buy http://www.pokertracker.com/ - You can send $55 to the maker through POKERSTARS but contact him via the website.

Once you have purchased this you need to configure it(Read help files) so you get all your hands you play at pokerstars processed. POKERSTARS SAVE HAND HISTORYS TO YOUR HARDDRIVE, PokerTracker uses these to provide statistical info on you AND YOUR OPPONENTS.

Now you will download POKERACE at http://pokeracesoftware.com/

This will displays stats of you opponents that you'll need to lean to interpret for it to be any help.

Anyhow so you got to $240 from the $40 at sportingbet + $100 bonus, Then $100 casino.net, Then you spent $55 on pokertracker. So you now have about $185.

This is enough to play .25/.50 games. Play these untill you have $300.

Now go to bonuswhores.com and ask around to whore some sites to get more of a bankroll(from bonuses). Be carefull and ensure they dont offer RAKEBACKS as you will want a rakeback in the future.

Your next step will be taking $500 to PARTYPOKER.COM.

Welcome to the forum, post all hands in microforum your unsure of (NO BAD BEATS PLEASE, Just interesting hands you need help with). use the converter found here.... COnverter

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Thanks POKhER! Great post!!
Do I need Neteller for the deposits?

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Ohh sorry left that bit out.

www.neteller.com - If you cashed into paradise with credit card, you might aswell cash back out with it.

Then cash into neteller, then let neteller handle all your transactions.

Good luck - Pm me if you need any help/querys. I have the time.

p.s. i had two warts on my fingers, does the doctor cut them off? [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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You can cashout into Neteller as well. That will be a good way to get an initial amount of money in there, as opposed to the more roundabout way.

OP will have to call Neteller -- this is a security measure and everyone has to do it (just so he doesn't panic).

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p.s. i had two warts on my fingers, does the doctor cut them off? [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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Either the doctor or the chef at the Japanese Restaurant

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Are there any fees for using Neteller?

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There are no fees for using neteller.

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There are no fees for using neteller.

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If you use an EFT to send $ to NT from your bank (ie checking), then there is a % fee. 2.xx% I believe?

There is no fee to send money from NT to your bank, nor from NT to poker sites.

Thus, you should only pay the fee once.

Correct me if I'm wrong, the only time I put money from bank to NT was a year ago and it was only $50, so I don't really remember all the details.

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Not sure if I've ever gone bank to NT either ...

but OP has money at a poker site, he should go poker to neteller and use that for deposit at next site, this will be much faster than involving his bank.

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Only hands played on $1 & $2 real money tables will count towards the number of hands played to claim the bonus.


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That's from sportingbet. Means you need to play the $1/$2 tables?

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Thats from their Sportingbet site, This doesnt apply to casino games. Dont ask why, ive no idea. But it was also there wen i and numerous others cleared the bonus at .10/.20.

I believe it applys to the bookkeeping bonuses, But dunno.

POKhER

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I just signed up at sportingbet they said any game where the rake reaches $1 qualifies regardless of limits played

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This Forum is GREAT (not good, GREAT)
I have started a Neteller account, cashed out $50 from Paradise, Started an account at sportingbet, and will fund it as soon as the Paradise money hits my NT account. Should be clearing bonuses by tomorrow am at the latest. And to think I was only playing for what was in the pot before [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Thanks again!

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Bonuses
If you have over $40, Take it to SPORTINGBET.COM they offer $100 bonus which you can clear at .10/.20. Play your normal game if your not in a rush, i personally cleared it by playing EVERYONE HAND PREFLOP and then played my "post flop game" as i would(Meaning i usually folded after seeing the flop due to holding junk).

Its CONTRIBUTED RAKE so if you play most hands they will count towards clearing it and soon as you reach 500 you get the $100.(Well $30 after 100 hands, then the $70 after 400 more).


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Sportingbet Terms and Conditions:



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Only hands played on $1 & $2 real money tables will count towards the number of hands played to claim the bonus.


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am I misreading this or have the rules changed?

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Their terms have always stated that. I cleared the bonus last month playing as low as .1/.2. Unless something has changed, you can play any limit you want as long as you contribute to the pot and it is raked.

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I believe that they (sportingbet)have stated the 1/2 requirement for quite a while, but that it is not true...I cleared two months ago at .50/1 and even some hands at .25/50. .50/1 is very beatable, but everyone sees the flop so the variance is high. I would deposit and play a few raked hands and see if they counted.
Oh, don't download Party just for the low limit games, wait until you have 500.00 for the max bonus, and don't be in too big a hurry cuz you might be able to get rb if you wait, plus you want to be able to crush the beginner tables for all they're worth, which is best done when you have honed your skills. GL

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I have found the Bonus Whoring to be especially useful. It is still very valid. I found a $20 bonus in my party account, from dinking around last summer, which, on a good streak, worked its way up to $50. I then followed the bonus whoring advice, and took this into Caribbean Sun. It took awhile to work off the bonus, but the $90 was sweet when I got it. If you can multi-table, or play a higher limit, it will go faster. With the bonus, I've got >$200, which is now at Interpoker, and being put to work at its $90 bonus. You really need Neteller to make the best use of moving your money around. Also bonuswhores.com is really useful.

Thanks to all at this 2+2 forum for all of this great info that has helped me build my bankroll and play better!

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There are no fees for using neteller.

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If you use an EFT to send $ to NT from your bank (ie checking), then there is a % fee. 2.xx% I believe?

There is no fee to send money from NT to your bank, nor from NT to poker sites.

Thus, you should only pay the fee once.

Correct me if I'm wrong, the only time I put money from bank to NT was a year ago and it was only $50, so I don't really remember all the details.

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I've never been assessed any fees using EFTs.

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but I know that party poker has .15/.30 table.

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I've never seen them...if they exist, they must only be at the beginner's tables, which you can only access for 45 days, I think

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Their terms have always stated that. I cleared the bonus last month playing as low as .1/.2. Unless something has changed, you can play any limit you want as long as you contribute to the pot and it is raked.

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if anyone tries in the next few days to see if you get .1/.2 hands as part of the 500 needed to clear the bonus please do let us know in this thread....thx

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if anyone tries in the next few days to see if you get .1/.2 hands as part of the 500 needed to clear the bonus please do let us know in this thread....thx

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Just registred today so I'll let you all know soon.

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Where at sportingbets.com can I see how many raked hands I have cleared?

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Open live supprt about 4hours into playing, dont ask to many times... you dont want to look like a bonuswhore.... they arn't stupid.

Also after 100 hands it will change from $100 pending to $70 pending. Thats 100hands into it.

Should take 4 - 5 hours if you play 100% VPIP preflop for CLEARING PURPOSES.

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Open live supprt about 4hours into playing, dont ask to many times... you dont want to look like a bonuswhore.... they arn't stupid.

Also after 100 hands it will change from $100 pending to $70 pending. Thats 100hands into it.

Should take 4 - 5 hours if you play 100% VPIP preflop for CLEARING PURPOSES.

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3-4 hours to clear the full bonus? Or for the first $30?

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4hrs for full bonus, i played every hand preflop. Folded most on the flop if i missed. Of course you dont do this if your not clearing this bonus... you play correct poker normally.

After the flop(after i donated my 5cents to the pot preflop with 72o [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] i usally folded).

of course i occasionally flopped 772 with 72 in my hand and took a huge pot down as "Who plays 72o" haha.

Dont play like this usually of course, but its contributed rake so playing every hand cleared it on 3 - 4tables in about 4hrs.

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4hrs for full bonus, i played every hand preflop. Folded most on the flop if i missed. Of course you dont do this if your not clearing this bonus... you play correct poker normally.

After the flop(after i donated my 5cents to the pot preflop with 72o [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] i usally folded).

of course i occasionally flopped 772 with 72 in my hand and took a huge pot down as "Who plays 72o" haha.

Dont play like this usually of course, but its contributed rake so playing every hand cleared it on 3 - 4tables in about 4hrs.

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Doesn't that result in you having 50 % left of what you once deposited making it $150 (if you deposited $100) in the end?

Also, what skin is this? Can't seem to get pokertracker to work.

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I dont think PT works there mate.

If you need to clear 500hands, Assuming all were raked and you played everyone.

10cent X 500 = $50. Assuming you called, then folded. None were raised, You won none, You went no further.

Now of course you'll get AA, You'll play K5 and flop KK5 and win, You'll get 72 and flop full house, 87 and flop the nuts straight.

Assuming your post flop play is ok, 100% VPIP is actually fairly interesting and educational. As it clears this bonus, this is the only time you should attempt it. DO NOT PLAY 100% VPIP ON YOUR STANDARD GAMES - ITS ONLY FOR BONUS CLEARANCE AT THIS SITE.

I ended up leaving sporting bet with $155. $40 deposit, 100bonus, 15profit from tables(After about 4hours of multitabling there).

Good luck.

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Interesting site I must say.
Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE checks the flop. There's always atleast 9, most of the time 10 people seeing the flop. I tried raising with KQ in EP and everyone called.

Insane!

I also talked to live support, seems ever played hand counts no matter limit. I'd think thats why people call with everything but it's not. I mean, if they called with everything just to clear the bonus they'd fold after the flop. But they don't. I even saw one guy with 73o call the bet on the river and the guy had nothing. What was he expecting? To win with 7 high? Damn this site is weird.

I should add that basicly no one raises pre-flop. I've seen limpers holding AA and they continue to limp even if an A hits the board. I dont understand!

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Its great hey? lol, maybe ill write up a beginner post as the old ones are going "out of date" a bit.

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So you clear this bonus, then run over to casino.net and clear that one? $200 for 1000 hands, not to shabby. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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So you clear this bonus, then run over to casino.net and clear that one? $200 for 1000 hands, not to shabby. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Thats the one bro.