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Read all about the new changes at party and skins

This is off-topic for this forum, but I thought I'd link you guys to it. The lower the limit you play, the more you're affected by this.

i.e. at 0.5/1, about 50% of income comes from RB, at 2/4 about 30%, etc. etc.

--Dave.

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the solution of course is to become a good player and move up

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Just everyone chill out for a while.

I've been following the discussion and it seems like there will be RB on PP. Obviously, new accounts will have a much easier time than existing accounts, but I think that many affiliates are working on a way for existing accounts to get RB as well.

Also, please don't sign up with any old affiliate that spams your PM. Make a careful decision and sign up with a reputable affiliate, since this choice will likely be the ultimate choice you can make.

Poker will not disappear. Fish will not disappear. Calm down for a bit, get off the computer and go outside. Enjoy the rest of the long weekend.

This situation will work itself out, I promise.

John

(I am not an affiliate.)

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It's a long weekend over there? Sweet. I'm playing tonight!

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Why didn't I think of that? I'll give HPFAP another skim this weekend and start playing the $100/$200 on monday. The other obvious solution I'm considering is to go win the main event.

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My question is will Party allow RB to customers that already have accounts. I never signed up for it with Party, so the skins RB offer I have will be pretty much worthless. Party has to do something for me to get my business back. Not sure how they will handle it. More bonuses, RB, something.

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oh i hate them so much right now.

guess im gonna be playing at pokernow from here on

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my 2 tables right now on empire are 22/8 and 34/14 lame. and thats 6max! also ive seen way more LRR, and queens limped, Ak limped since raises are getting no callers.

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I heart the sidebet

It's so...slutty...on PP's part.

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The fact that me and you are having to make posts like these is beginning to grate me.

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Everyone should follow this advise!

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Best... advice... ever.

Just be patient and let the situation play itself out. This *really* only affects people who use poker and rakeback together for a significant part of their regular monthly income (those people can worry appropriately). For those of you who take your poker and rakeback money to buy beer, CDs, TVs, DVDs, and those extra things can all calm down and relax.

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Read all about the new changes at party and skins

This is off-topic for this forum, but I thought I'd link you guys to it. The lower the limit you play, the more you're affected by this.

i.e. at 0.5/1, about 50% of income comes from RB, at 2/4 about 30%, etc. etc.

--Dave.

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if you're playing .50/1, and relying on rakeback to supplement your winnings, you're not being intelligent. bonuses >>> than rakeback, until you get up to 5/10

also, the hysteria around this is pretty funny

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This is madness.

If any of you regular micro-limit posters (you guys know who you are)find an affiliate that manages RB on PP for exisiting accounts, I would love to hear from you via PM or instant messager - braindamaj19k . I haven't used RB at all thus far to make profit, but I'm sure as I move up it will become a necessity.

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I think I was at the Mike O'Malley invitational 6-max table on Empire just now.

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Meh, tables on the skins are still fishy... just gotta move to 6-max.

RB lives!!!

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Just everyone chill out for a while.

I've been following the discussion and it seems like there will be RB on PP. Obviously, new accounts will have a much easier time than existing accounts, but I think that many affiliates are working on a way for existing accounts to get RB as well.


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OK- advice time. I have about $600 to deposit to play $1/2. I have no account at Party poker, Stars, paradise or anywhere other than Victor chandler/William Hill.

I currently have no rakeback deal and was going to sign up for empire to get dep bonus & rakeback. What should I do now?

Also, I'm based in the UK- does this effect anything?

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Read all about the new changes at party and skins

This is off-topic for this forum, but I thought I'd link you guys to it. The lower the limit you play, the more you're affected by this.

i.e. at 0.5/1, about 50% of income comes from RB, at 2/4 about 30%, etc. etc.

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If 50% of someone's income comes from rakeback at .50/1.00, then he is a crappy player. Or, more likely, he is multitabling so many tables that his win rate has plummetted down to barely above breaking even.

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if you're playing .50/1, and relying on rakeback to supplement your winnings, you're not being intelligent. bonuses >>> than rakeback, until you get up to 5/10


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That is simply not true. It is totally dependent on how many hands you play and what % rakeback you are getting.

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That is simply not true. It is totally dependent on how many hands you play and what % rakeback you are getting.

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absolutely true

can i be the first to bitch about all the [censored] pop ups for tournaments they have now?

i expect pop ups while i'm watching porn, not while i'm playing poker.

porn pop ups while playing poker though? +EV

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if you're playing .50/1, and relying on rakeback to supplement your winnings, you're not being intelligent. bonuses >>> than rakeback, until you get up to 5/10


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That is simply not true. It is totally dependent on how many hands you play and what % rakeback you are getting.

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sorry, but it is simply true. most good bonuses out there - enough to fill 5-6K hands a month - give you well over 100% rakeback.

with the new multipoker bonus, which requires a gazillion hands, no microplayer is better off with rakeback unless you're playing about 20K hands a month, and even then, rakeback only makes sense after all the bonus clearing is donw.

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Just everyone chill out for a while.

I've been following the discussion and it seems like there will be RB on PP. Obviously, new accounts will have a much easier time than existing accounts, but I think that many affiliates are working on a way for existing accounts to get RB as well.


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OK- advice time. I have about $600 to deposit to play $1/2. I have no account at Party poker, Stars, paradise or anywhere other than Victor chandler/William Hill.

I currently have no rakeback deal and was going to sign up for empire to get dep bonus & rakeback. What should I do now?

Also, I'm based in the UK- does this effect anything?

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re: Party/skins, wait until the dust clears to make any decision. you're probably gonna want to sign up with RB at both Party and Empire.

from a financial standpoint, you're much better using that br for bonus whoring purposes (ie using it for a number of deposit bonuses)

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Any further explicit discussion of rakeback needs to take place in the RB/affiliate forum.

I'm not mad at anyone, and I don't think anyone has gotten far out of line or anything. but I just want to make the position clear before the discussion on RB goes any further.

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stars is running a 25% deposit bonus till oct.16th. you might as well using the 600 towards the 150 bonus. and since you play 1/2, it should be very easy to clear.

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stars is running a 25% deposit bonus till oct.16th. you might as well using the 600 towards the 150 bonus. and since you play 1/2, it should be very easy to clear.

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is this a reload, or a 1st time deposit bonus?

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Pokerstars officially wins the smartest company of the year award. It's a reload.

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Read the fine print of how to clear the bonus. Stars bonuses are the toughest bonuses in the history of the internet.

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Even the fact that they offer the reload is a good business move from their standpoint. All this party panic, and their biggest competitor offers a timely bonus at their site. Seems pretty smart to me, hard to clear or not.

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This only true if you play micros. Play 2/4 or higher and it is an easy clear.

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At 2/4 or higher, it's very easy**. At least they're not UB, where the most points you can get per hand is 0.5. That is ridonkulous.

** I know, I know, that doesn't help the .5/1 players, but clearing my Stars bonus was the first time I played 2/4 6max and it wasn't as tough as I expected. Plus, a nice $150 bonus is a good time to take a shot if you're close enough in bankroll.

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I'm willing to wait and see what this means for party games. If this encourages some of the multitabling RB TAG's to find a different game it might make the 2/4 and 3/6 full games much better for a while. I have a bonus to clear and will play through it and see.

As far as the skins are concerned I'm getting my money out of them while they're still giving it back. I just W/D from multi and won't be depositing in any of the skins for at least a month. I can see a Great Depression style W/D rush coming. No need to panic though right? LOL!

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Man, I take a weekend away from poker and 2+2 and all hell breaks loose.

As I've been catching up on the take of things in just about every forum on the boards, here's probably the most important thing I've found:

Don't play at Party right now.

No, this isn't the start of some retarded boycott campaign. There are rumors circulating about being able to get the unmentionable on current accounts IF that account has been inactive for 60 days. It's not clear if inactive means that you haven't played a hand or the stricter requirement of never having logged in, but the +EV thing to do is to not sign in to Party until more comes out about this. Percentages at the new and improved Party almost certainly won't be as high as what players have come to expect on Euro and Empire.

If you don't currently have a Party account, I'd similarly suggest to hold out on getting a new one. Affiliates are still negotiating all the terms, so holding out for a bit might go a long ways for you.

Rumor in the affiliate forum has it that we can expect more details either today or tomorrow. Until then, as Greg mentioned, Stars is having a reload bonus. If you don't have a Stars account, you really should. Even if you don't play much there, having a Stars account will enable you to play in the MicroLimit League and in future King of the Kiddie Pool tournaments - inexpensive events that are great learning experiences and a good time for all. And if you insist on getting the unmentionable, the skins are still paying it, and you can always look into Prima, Absolute, UB, et al. to get your fix. Check out the affiliate forum or www.rakerebatereview.com FMI.

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my 5 step system to pretending nothing happened:

1) download party poker (I closed my account like 4 months ago)
2) visit affiliate forum and find legit offer.
3) rename the party images folder with an underscore or something
4) copy empire poker images folder into the party poker directory
5) copy 'lobby.jpg' over from the 'Images_' folder to the 'Images' folder. This way you get the corrct looking Party Poker lobby, but you get the empire tables. BOO YA.

BAM! no retarded sidebet button, that lovely blue background we all know and love, the unmentionable, and a brand new screen name to boot.

the people who say this will kill poker are overreacting IMO

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if you're playing .50/1, and relying on rakeback to supplement your winnings, you're not being intelligent. bonuses >>> than rakeback, until you get up to 5/10


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That is simply not true. It is totally dependent on how many hands you play and what % rakeback you are getting.

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sorry, but it is simply true. most good bonuses out there - enough to fill 5-6K hands a month - give you well over 100% rakeback.

with the new multipoker bonus, which requires a gazillion hands, no microplayer is better off with rakeback unless you're playing about 20K hands a month, and even then, rakeback only makes sense after all the bonus clearing is donw.

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Firstly, I play up to 60000 hands a month. You sure its still true?

Secondly, playing purely for bonuses means you cant be choosing the best sites to play on. My profit from the tables is 3 or 4 times what I get from rakeback and bonuses combined. Table selection is, by far, the most important criteria for making money.