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I rely on counter-aggression from my opponents a great deal to find out where I stand.

Check-folding this is really weak. Betting is great if you can assume that if no one raises, you are ahead.

But is that a reliable way of knowing you're safe? What if your opponents just don't raise their ace? I hate to say it, but a lot of the time in unraised pots, they ain't raising even a *good* ace.


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Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $3.
UTG (poster) checks, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG folds, MP1 folds, SB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

River: (5.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 5.25 BB

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do u want to check fold the flop? Just like you continue betting with AQ UI, you do it here. he could be drawing or calling down with J4 (which rivered you!) nh.

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Why didn't you raise preflop? You'll get that poster out, and you'll make the sb wish he hadn't completed w/ 57s...

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He had A8o. This is what bugs me about these situations. I'm being results oriented, but the results are the point. You can't bet these types of hands unless you can count on being raised by worse hands. If you're against opponents who will just call down with an ace, your hand is very weak. You may already behind, and there are so many cards that can come to beat you. Check-fold is certainly an option with a pot this small and that many opponents.

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I think I raise this pre-flop with a fish posting in UTG. WTF??

The hand plays differently then.

The rest of the hand is the same way I play it. On the river I doubt it'd be a value bet as, really, I wouldn't know where I stood like you say.

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pf is fine
flop is fine
turn i give it up

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I bet the flop. I don't think it is weak to check behind on the turn. Based on SB's flop call, I don't think you're stealing this small pot.

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pf is fine
flop is fine
turn i give it up

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For me this is auto-raise pf. The rest I agree with ya.

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i think we need a poll, please dont roudhouse me to the face. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I think PF is an easy raise, we have a chance of getting it 3 way if not heads up, and there's the value thing.

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i think this pot is staying 4 handed. my main concern is hero's position.

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Even if it does stay 4 handed we have too much of an edge against essentialy 2 random hands and one above average hand not to raise, even in bad position. Knocking 1 out is just icing on the cake.

If the action was CO open limped, button limped, and SB completed, would you still check 99 in the BB? I think we should be more inclined to raise in the OP's hand, even though I'd raise both, since we're against almost 2 random hands instead of against almost 1 random hand.

On a side note, what's the average VP$IP SB for an average player? I guess it's more like a top 50% hand, not really random, still something we're a big favorite over though.

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I think raising here is fine. I was 4-tabling and didn't notice the one fellow was a poster. Raising makes the hand more difficult to play post-flop, but hey, this was difficult enough anyhow. So raise if you like...

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If you're going to give up on the turn, you have a very difficult situation. If your opponents are even just slightly loose enough to peel on the flop to try and maek 2pr or have some kind of weak draw, then you're handing a lot of pots away.

That's the big problem right there. If you bet, with this many opponents, you are almost certainly going to get called somewhere. And if they won't raise you with an ace, then you're in a world of hurt due to reverse implied odds.

I think if you bet the flop, you have to take one more shot on the turn. And if you don't like that line, you have to check-fold the flop with the exception of reads. (E.g, UTG+1 bets who would never limp with any ace here and didn't raise preflop, so you rule out the ace and raise him.)

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Raising 99 from BB after limpers is intriguing. What are everybody's PT stats for 99 in BB? O.T.B? Or in general?

I think i don't raise this enough PF.

Felipe

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Preflop seems like an easy raise. 7-handed, SB complete, UTG poster who checked his option, and MP who likely has crap.

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It is.

Postflop? I have no qualms with this being a preflop raise. No idea how to handle these post-flop though.

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having not raised preflop, you played it fine postflop. if the turn was an 8 and the river a 7, i probably would have bet the river, too.

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I don't mind the pf check. You're usually going to stay 4 handed unless the UTG post was by a decent player who misclicked, which is pretty much the worst situation you can think of for 99 OOP.

I don't mind the flop bet and often fire again on the turn HU. It'd depend some on what I think about Villain. A loose/passive might call with a gutshot or a pair or because he just doesn't believe that you have an Ace given your generally inexplicable (to him) aggression in previous hands. More than 1 flop caller, though, and I'm done barring exceptional circumstances.

I think if we check the turn it's got to be with the intention of folding the river.

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I don't mind the pf check. You're usually going to stay 4 handed unless the UTG post was by a decent player who misclicked, which is pretty much the worst situation you can think of for 99 OOP.

I don't mind the flop bet and often fire again on the turn HU. It'd depend some on what I think about Villain. A loose/passive might call with a gutshot or a pair or because he just doesn't believe that you have an Ace given your generally inexplicable (to him) aggression in previous hands. More than 1 flop caller, though, and I'm done barring exceptional circumstances.

I think if we check the turn it's got to be with the intention of folding the river.

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Where did you come from? I like your posts.
Yeah, PF who cares, turn bet is good if it's HU, not so good if it's multiway.

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Love your avatars dude.

I play postflop the same.