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And definitely no hand on boobs.

I've been studying a lot of poker lately. A lot. My plan was to start with general books (Theory of Poker, Psychology of Poker, Getting the Best of It), and then move on to hold'em books for a refresher. Then I was going to finally learn new games. But an interesting thing happened when I picked up King Yao's book. I already knew everything he was telling me. That's not to say my game is bulletproof, but at this point in time I don't feel like there is much more I can fit in my head about hold'em. I'd be better served to just keep on grinding, then revisit the books in a few months to touch up parts of my game.

That leads me to an interesting crossroads, one which I'll share with the rest of micros. So in this thread, tell us where you're at in your game, where you want to go, and what the next few steps are to get there?

Where I'm At: Winning limit hold'em player, able to supplement my income very well through winnings.
Where I'm Going: A middle limits Phil Ivey, Barry Greenstein, Chau Giang. I want to win at every game.
What's Next: I think a reasonable game to play next is Stud High. I'll use Roy West's book first, then move on to 7CSFAP. That'll take me a few months.

Any stud players in micros? I think I saw a stud forum around here somewhere, maybe I'll become a regular over there as well.

And because no thread is complete without a laugh at my expense, have a look at my poker library : http://www.paxosmotic.com/poker1.jpg

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And because no thread is complete without a laugh at my expense, have a look at my poker library : http://www.paxosmotic.com/poker1.jpg

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Nice rack![img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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Your SSHE book is impressive! How many times have you read it?

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Your SSHE book is impressive! How many times have you read it?

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The whole thing about seven times, with various sections up to five more. I'm known to quote it at parties to impress girls.

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Your small stakes holdem book looks exactly like mine...they have both taken a beating [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Where I'm At: Winning at low limits in both Limit and No-Limit holdem
Where I'm Going: I would like to play high-stakes limit holdem.
Whats next: Grrrrinnnndddd away...

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I started out playing 7stud using West's book. I can go ahead and summarize it for you if you like:

Be a Rock

blah blah blah something weak tight.


If you have even a modicum of skill and fast eyes to keep up with whats being folded, it's a gold mine playing pretty tight at the lower limits. It's very very boring though, and harder to multitable and keep track of dead outs. Most I could ever do at once comfortably was 2.

Towards the higher end of the Middle Stakes spectrum playing looser becomes a necessity due to the rake, so I'm told.

I say go for it. 7stud is fun for a while, and definently takes skill to master. It can get terribly boring though.

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Your SSHE book is impressive! How many times have you read it?

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The whole thing about seven times, with various sections up to five more. I'm known to quote it at parties to impress girls.

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LMFAO [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Where I'm at: Trying to learn Holdem, Omaha/8 PL/L. So far so good with both but too early to tell yet. Time will eventually.

Where I'm going: Hopefully to higher and higher limits. Would like to learn all games as well because it'll make me a better player. Find stud very boring though so I don't think I'll be grinding it like I do Omaha or HE. Would like to try triple draw but don't even know where to begin with that. Any suggestions out there?

What's Next 6 Max .50/$1 Limit Holdem, then $50 NL Holdem. Keep hearing you can't make the move to higher limits until you become a winning player at 6-max so it seems like the next logical jump for me to make.

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The only problem I'm finding with Stud is that I have no idea what to play. The hands that I think are strong are trips, good 3 flushes, good 3 straights, straight-flush combos maybe a gap or two, pairs with good kickers or high pairs with decent kickers. Those all combined come in like 12% of the time. That's just really, really tight.

I thought about skipping straight to 7CSFAP. I'll spend the next few minutes taking a look at that one.

Lau - Negreanu's triple draw section in SS2 is the only literature available on that game.

Basically, I'm looking to learn 'all' of the games, and I consider all of the games to be hold'em, stud, stud/8, PLO, O/8, 2-7 TD, razz, and draw.

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My SSHE is getting kinda bad to but i got it banged up. So im taking it to Staples today to get spirral binded. It only costs like 4$. This way i can read at work easier. Im also doing this with Harringtons books.

Where I'm At: Winning low limits but starting over with small bankroll due to some finacial troubles.
Where I'm Going: Trying to get my bankroll reasonable.
What's Next: spend the next year grinding away.

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The only problem I'm finding with Stud is that I have no idea what to play. The hands that I think are strong are trips, good 3 flushes, good 3 straights, straight-flush combos maybe a gap or two, pairs with good kickers or high pairs with decent kickers. Those all combined come in like 12% of the time. That's just really, really tight.


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Your usually good starting with any 3 suited, or any 3 sequencial cards(some worse than others here). The key words here:

"LIVE DRAWS"

With smaller pairs it mainly depends on the strength of your kicker in relation to whats out. I haven't played for a while, but I know any pair with a live Ace is playable, and if an ace was folded (almost never happens)or 2 aces or more are out I'll play anything with a K kicker, stuff like that.

West's book has some decent advice, I just wouldnt dwell on it. Give it a good once-over then hit 7CSFAP.

BTW have you played much Triple Draw? That game is the nut-HIGH sir, and virtually nobody that plays it plays it well.

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I decided I'm going to stick with West's then go on to 7CSFAP. Both books are only about 180 pages, so they're easy reading material. I'll have both books read by Sunday evening and be ready to sit in on the $100/$200 game by Monday. One of those is a lie.

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I decided I'm going to stick with West's then go on to 7CSFAP. Both books are only about 180 pages, so they're easy reading material. I'll have both books read by Sunday evening and be ready to sit in on the $100/$200 game by Monday. One of those is a lie.

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The $100/$200 game is Tuesday, then?

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I decided I'm going to stick with West's then go on to 7CSFAP. Both books are only about 180 pages, so they're easy reading material. I'll have both books read by Sunday evening and be ready to sit in on the $100/$200 game by Monday. One of those is a lie.

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The $100/$200 game is Tuesday, then?

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That reminds me, I've been meaning to talk to you about staking me about $8,000 for this Stud game I was hoping to sit in on next week.

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I decided I'm going to stick with West's then go on to 7CSFAP. Both books are only about 180 pages, so they're easy reading material. I'll have both books read by Sunday evening and be ready to sit in on the $100/$200 game by Monday. One of those is a lie.

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The $100/$200 game is Tuesday, then?

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That reminds me, I've been meaning to talk to you about staking me about $8,000 for this Stud game I was hoping to sit in on next week.

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I ceased lending out such small amounts of money, the last 100 times or so I've done it, miniscule amount has slipped the minds of the people I lend it to.

Oh, well.

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Where I am at: A reasonably strong NLHE tournament player, who has been having some trouble and frustration playing cash games, particularly limit HE

Where I'm going: I want to become an extremely strong tournament player, and be able to start winning consistently playing cash games.

What's next: Getting it on at the lowest limit cash tables until I feel comfortable with my play, and how I am dealing with the play of others around me.

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Where I'm at: 10k hands of .5/1 at 1.46bb/100
Where I'm going: 1/2 as soon as I get back to the states.
What's next: I need to find out whats up with my aggression - its only 7.6 preflop and 1.76 postflop, which sounds a little low according to the micro limits guidelines. It says almost no one is successful with a post-flop aggression below 2.

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Where I'm at: 10k hands of .5/1 at 1.46bb/100
Where I'm going: 1/2 as soon as I get back to the states.
What's next: I need to find out whats up with my aggression - its only 7.6 preflop and 1.76 postflop, which sounds a little low according to the micro limits guidelines. It says almost no one is successful with a post-flop aggression below 2.

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Don't change your play to fit some 'ideal' set of numbers. Change your play because you understand what needs to be changed, and why.

If you postflop aggression is 'too low' you are probably calling is spots where a raise or fold is prudent. Do you protect your weak made hands with checkraises from EP? Do use free card plays with your draws from LP? Do you fold middle pair on the turn when a passive player check-raises the field?

Re-read SSHE and try to understand why some plays are made, rather than try and force them into your game to fit some ideal numerical model.

Nate

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Where I'm at: 10k hands of .5/1 at 1.46bb/100
Where I'm going: 1/2 as soon as I get back to the states.
What's next: I need to find out whats up with my aggression - its only 7.6 preflop and 1.76 postflop, which sounds a little low according to the micro limits guidelines. It says almost no one is successful with a post-flop aggression below 2.

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After approx 10k hands at 0.5/1 I was in exactly the same spot. I figured I had to get my agression factor up. I did the mistake of thinking too much about my agression factor while playing, thinking I had to boost it up. Turned out to be a devastating thing to do. After that I decided to not look at my PT stats for a while and just play and study.

After that and playing some 6-max I looked at my stats another 10k hands later. Agression factors turned out to be healthy.

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My library just might have a couple more titles in it than yours.

Where I'm At: Winning LHE player over 100k hands at limits from .5/1 through 5/10. Mostly 2/4.
Where I'm Going: Winning All-Around poker player. Any game, any limit structure, any opponents.
What's Next: Short-handed and live casino no-limit HoldEm. Currently winning over 10k hands of NLHE including $25NL - $100NL, mostly $25 and $50.

After I get more NLHE coaching, move way up in limits and am able to consistantly beat 2+2 private games through skillful play, I'll start on stud games. Starting with stud high, then split games.

Leaving for Vegas this saturday.

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Where I'm At: 1/2-2/4 6max.
Where I'm Going:3/6 6max and after that probably PLO.
What's Next: Buying SSH.

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where I'm at: doggie paddling at 1/2 limit HE full ring

where I'm going: winning 5/10 and 10/20 limit player - then reasess.

what's next: I'll need to learn how to beat 1/2 six max before I get to 3/6 full.

My best plan may be to go to 2/4 full (since I'm almost rolled), then .50/1 6-max to get my preflop game in order, then 1/2 six max, then 3/6 full.

alternatively, I could just drop to .50/1 6 max for 10k hands now, then 1/2 six max, then 2/4 full, then 3/6 full.

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Where I'm at: Trying to prove to myself that I'm a winning player at the .25/50 and .5/1 levels in HE. Thought I was, learned that I had been running well (and was way way way underbankrolled), dropped down, crushed .05/.10 for a while. Did a few bonuses. Now I am further building/playing by bonusing. I also play limit STTs at Stars. (And I freeplay 2-7 lowball at Ultimate Bet...which is really fun...if you haven't tried it you should!)

Where I'm going: I just started 6 max (I'm one of those people that has to be told something over and over) and will probably work on that for the next little while.

What's next: Some day I would like to play as high as 2/4 HE online, but I will probably take a break before that and experiment with NL.

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Guruman,

I was in a similar spot about a month ago. I was advised to start playing 1/2 6max rather than drop to .5/1 due to the rake and quality of play not being much different. Playing 6 max is recommended before going to 2/4 full. Be sure and read the baby steps to 6max thread.

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Where I'm At: .50/1, reading SSH and re-reading SSH/fixing leaks. Grinding to build my bankroll($700 so far)


Where I'm Going: Ill re-read SSH again, then ill go through my homemade leak list correcting majority of them.then have my PT stats checked. Then ill read HEFAP and all the other superb advanced books on poker as i move through 1/2 and upwards.

What's Next: Grinding, and moving to 1/2.

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Where I'm At: 1/2 6 max graduate. Switching between 2/4 6 max on stars and 3/6 on party. Too early to declare myself a winning player at either, though I'm feeling confident.

Where I'm Goin: As far as my skill, or lack thereof, takes me. I don't really have a "I want to be a world renowned poker player" dream, just a "I really enjoy playing, and the more money I can make in my spare time playing poker, the better" dream [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I would like to add NL tourneys to my skillset, since it's just so popular (ie - fishfest) and must be a veritable goldmine for those who excel.

What's Next: A couple months at party 3/6 and then up to 5/10 and then 10/20 and then blah blah blah. Try to enter a NL multitable tourney once a week.


Paxo - stud looks interesting, but have you considered trying omaha first? It's a little closer to holdem, but it feels like a whole new game. I've played that some in the nano-limits on stars and it's fun for a good change of pace.

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Why not just stick with Hold em and move up the ladder?

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Your SSHE book is impressive! How many times have you read it?

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The whole thing about seven times, with various sections up to five more. I'm known to quote it at parties to impress girls.

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Haha classic move! Though not a very successful one.

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Did you buy SSHE used or wear it out?

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Have you considered making a small book review of all the hold'em books you have? We've mostly all read HoH, TOP, HFAP, and SSH (for abbreviation explanation, make a guesstimation) I'd like to know how good are the other not-so-well-known books on hold'em. Are they worth getting?

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Why not just stick with Hold em and move up the ladder?

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Because to be a little more than blunt, hold'em [censored] sucks. Seriously. There's only 169 combinations of cards, over half of which I wouldn't play if you spotted me the chips. After that, the community cards come, and it's a pretty simple exercise in counting outs combined with profiling your opponent and putting them on a hand. To be a little more blunt, if you can't beat hold'em, you're not qualified to work at McDonalds. I can beat games much higher than I play, I'm just not rolled for them.

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Wore it out, holmes. Great toilet reading. Thanks, Ed.

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Have you considered making a small book review of all the hold'em books you have? We've mostly all read HoH, TOP, HFAP, and SSH (for abbreviation explanation, make a guesstimation) I'd like to know how good are the other not-so-well-known books on hold'em. Are they worth getting?

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View the hold'em books again. Not view them left to right. Not a coincidence. Beginner to advanced. That's my review.

Other things about books that I know and you don't know, let's see. Psychology of Poker is very good. Ace on the River is not. The High-Low Split books are very good. Caro's Book of Tells is not. Super System 2 is a good primer. Tournament Poker for Advanced Players is the worst book I own.

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Paxo - stud looks interesting, but have you considered trying omaha first? It's a little closer to holdem, but it feels like a whole new game. I've played that some in the nano-limits on stars and it's fun for a good change of pace.

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I did consider Omaha. Infact, I had an interesting conversation with Lautzutao about which path to take. I had the brain storm that I could take the path of hold'em -> PLO -> O/8 -> S/8 -> Stud. The reason is that PLO is hold'em with more cards, then O/8 is PLO with a low, then S/8 is another high/low game, then Stud is only the high. So each leads logically to the other. But Stud is just so sexy to me, and it's very complicated, so I'm just diving in, baby. I'll learn hold'em on one end, Stud on the other, and I'll meet in the middle with Omaha/8.

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Any stud players in micros? I think I saw a stud forum around here somewhere, maybe I'll become a regular over there as well.

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The stud forum is probably the friendliest forum on 2+2. From what I gather, many of the players have worked their way up from the nanolimits to mid or high limit games, so there's lots of knowledge about how each limit plays.

If you get started at very low limits, I'd recommend pretty much any site other than Party because their ante structure is stupid.

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Guruman,

I was in a similar spot about a month ago. I was advised to start playing 1/2 6max rather than drop to .5/1 due to the rake and quality of play not being much different. Playing 6 max is recommended before going to 2/4 full. Be sure and read the baby steps to 6max thread.

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Hmm, maybe I'll just drop from two to one table for the time being while I get acclimated.

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Where I'm At: .5-1 full ring, about +1.5 BB/100
Where I'm Going: Just read SSHE, trying for a win rate from 3-5 BB/100 (my definition of crushing the game)
What's Next: Once I achieve that win rate try double tabling, then 6 max, 6 max doubles and once I can sustain a decent win rate at all those move up.

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Guruman,

I was in a similar spot about a month ago. I was advised to start playing 1/2 6max rather than drop to .5/1 due to the rake and quality of play not being much different. Playing 6 max is recommended before going to 2/4 full. Be sure and read the baby steps to 6max thread.

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Hmm, maybe I'll just drop from two to one table for the time being while I get acclimated.

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Most likely that won't change much. Most people can concentrate well enough to play 2 tables at once. PM me if you would like me to sweat you for a couple sessions.

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Wow, you guys read a lot. I have read SSH once + extra and HPFAP once. That is all. Mostly I use the forums. I do definitely need to do more reading though


Where I'm At: Winning? 5/10 SH after 12k hands, but more importantly, feeling like I belong there.
Where I'm Going: Stick around here for a while, hopefully win enough to build an oversized roll and also fund my education. Also, I will need to buy my gf an engagement ring one of these days, so basically I guess my goal is just win a shitload and move on up.
Whats next:Eventually I would like to at least beat the 15 game. Also I want to go back to playing full so that I can play full or SH at a high level.

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Where I'm at: Party 1/2 full and 6-max
Where's I'm going: Able to consistently beat 3/6 full and 6-max. Be able to beat the same limits for Omaha hi/lo and eventually stud (maybe 5/10 for hi/lo).
What's next: Lots more hands, bonus whoring, and hi/lo to pump the bankroll. Oh, and learning how to play stud.

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And because no thread is complete without a laugh at my expense, have a look at my poker library : http://www.paxosmotic.com/poker1.jpg

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That's sexy.