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\"Yuck\" (aka a badly played straight flush?)
So in between bleeding money, I manage to get a straight flush, the only problem is a good player at the table (who is also a very cool guy) responds by saying "yuck" which made me wonder if I played this incorrectly. (especially 5th & 6th streets)
Your thoughts? -------------------------------------------------- 7 Card Stud High ($2/$4), Ante $0.25, Bring-In $1 (hand converter) 3rd Street - (1.00 SB) Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds Seat 3: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds Seat 4: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___completes Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls Seat 8: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds 4th Street - (4.50 SB) Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___calls Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds 5th Street - (3.25 BB) Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls 6th Street - (5.25 BB) Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks River - (5.25 BB) Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___bets___calls Hero: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises Total pot: (9.25 BB) Results: Main Pot: $35.50 | Rake: $1.50 <font color="white"> Seat 1: [ 3c 6c 5d Tc Th 2d 5h ] [ two pairs, tens and fives -- Tc,Th,6c,5d,5h ] Hero: [ 8d 7d 9d 8s 6d 4h Td ] [ a straight flush, ten high -- Td,9d,8d,7d,6d ]</font> |
Re: \"Yuck\" (aka a badly played straight flush?)
fold 3rd and certainly dont complete, your hand is pretty dead. The rest seems ok
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fold 3rd and certainly dont complete, your hand is pretty dead. The rest seems ok [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. You don't want to play middle straightening cards that are either dead or the straight is dead. Every up card helps you except that 2. So, fold. Otherwise, well played after that. |
Re: \"Yuck\" (aka a badly played straight flush?)
This hand can easily win enough different ways that the dead cards don't bother me too much. I think folding 3rd would be a big mistake. I like just limping though, partially because things are sorta dead and partially because you would like a multiway pot.
The rest of it is fine. |
Re: \"Yuck\" (aka a badly played straight flush?)
Like Bart said, limping would better, mainly because your hand just isn’t all that strong given the dead cards. The multi-way aspect wouldn’t bother me too much - they usually don’t care if it’s a full bet or not.
I also agree that folding would be a mistake. I routinely play 3-flushes with two of my suit out at 2/4, simply because they almost never raise so you get it cheap and because when you hit on 4th you’re in a real nice spot because it’s usually multi-way. I’d limp with this hand at 5/10 also without a second thought. The rest is just fine. |
Re: \"Yuck\" (aka a badly played straight flush?)
I think 3rd is an easy call. Anyone think of raising fifth, or are there too many dead outs?
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Re: \"Yuck\" (aka a badly played straight flush?)
Third is a call. Raising would ordinarily be an acceptable play, but here you have a bunch of dead cards. Still, if all you had were the flush possibility, having two diamonds out wouldn't be the end of the world, and I wouldn't apologize for backing into a straight with this hand.
Apart from third, you played this about the only way you could. You can't really think about folding at any point, and your hand is too dead to really push, either. Perhaps you think you should win more with a straight flush? Play video poker or go to a casino with a high-hand-of-the-hour bonus. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] |
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fold 3rd and certainly dont complete, your hand is pretty dead. The rest seems ok [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Agreed. You don't want to play middle straightening cards that are either dead or the straight is dead. [/ QUOTE ] as dead as this hand is, it's still a monster. I'd be looking to get as much in on third as possibble, but i wouldn't complete- not because the hand is weak or dead, but because it really wants a big 'ol multiway pot to get maximum value and to get the odds to go for the draws that'll develop with it. No matter how dead a three-to-a-SF is, i'm at least looking at fifth. imo |
Re: \"Yuck\" (aka a badly played straight flush?)
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dead ts 2c 9h 4d 6s Seat 1: [ 3c 6c 5d Tc Th 2d 5h ] [ two pairs, tens and fives -- Tc,Th,6c,5d,5h ] Hero: [ 8d 7d 9d 8s 6d 4h Td ] [ a straight flush, ten high -- Td,9d,8d,7d,6d ] seat 7: [Ad Kd 5c 6h] <<< giving 7 a hand that is pretty bad for you 3rd street (1sb) pokenum -mc 500000 -7s 3c 6c 5d - 8d 7d 9d - ad kd 5c / ts 2c 9h 4d 6s 7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV 6c 3c 5d 131742 26.35 368133 73.63 125 0.03 0.264 9d 8d 7d 214579 42.92 285304 57.06 117 0.02 0.429 <<< 5c Ad Kd 153534 30.71 346418 69.28 48 0.01 0.307 since your ev > 33.3% no problems betting/raising here. 4th street (4.5sb) pokenum -mc 500000 -7s 3c 6c 5d tc - 8d 7d 9d 8s - ad kd 5c 6h / ts 2c 9h 4d 6s 7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Tc 6c 3c 5d 131905 26.38 368028 73.61 67 0.01 0.264 8s 9d 8d 7d 276965 55.39 223020 44.60 15 0.00 0.554 <<< 5c Ad Kd 6h 91049 18.21 408871 81.77 80 0.02 0.182 still no problem betting/raising 5th street (3.25bb) pokenum -mc 500000 -7s 3c 6c 5d tc th - 8d 7d 9d 8s 6d / ts 2c 9h 4d 6s ad kd 5c 6h 7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Tc 6c 3c 5d Th 212807 42.56 287193 57.44 0 0.00 0.426 8s 9d 8d 7d 6d 287193 57.44 212807 42.56 0 0.00 0.574 <<< still ahead 6th street (5.25bb) pokenum -7s 3c 6c 5d tc th 2d - 8d 7d 9d 8s 6d 4h / ts 2c 9h 4d 6s ad kd 5c 6h 7-card Stud Hi: 930 enumerated outcomes cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Tc 6c 3c 5d 2d Th 554 59.57 376 40.43 0 0.00 0.596 8s 9d 8d 7d 6d 4h 376 40.43 554 59.57 0 0.00 0.404 prebet equity: .404*5.25=2.1BB after 1 bet: .404*7.25= 2.929BB .829 increment / bet check / call time? your equity decreases with each bet. |
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prebet equity: .404*5.25=2.1BB after 1 bet: .404*7.25= 2.929BB .829 increment / bet check / call time? your equity decreases with each bet. [/ QUOTE ] Cheers for the stats Garlington, just a Q. You say the equity decreases with each bet, but that's only on the river right? It doesn't % increase each street slightly? (sorry - bad with numbers) Cheers, SDM |
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pokenum -mc 500000 -7s 3c 6c 5d - 8d 7d 9d - ad kd 5c / ts 2c 9h 4d 6s 7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV 6c 3c 5d 131742 26.35 368133 73.63 125 0.03 0.264 9d 8d 7d 214579 42.92 285304 57.06 117 0.02 0.429 <<< 5c Ad Kd 153534 30.71 346418 69.28 48 0.01 0.307 since your ev > 33.3% no problems betting/raising here. 4th street (4.5sb) pokenum -mc 500000 -7s 3c 6c 5d tc - 8d 7d 9d 8s - ad kd 5c 6h / ts 2c 9h 4d 6s 7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Tc 6c 3c 5d 131905 26.38 368028 73.61 67 0.01 0.264 8s 9d 8d 7d 276965 55.39 223020 44.60 15 0.00 0.554 <<< 5c Ad Kd 6h 91049 18.21 408871 81.77 80 0.02 0.182 still no problem betting/raising 5th street (3.25bb) pokenum -mc 500000 -7s 3c 6c 5d tc th - 8d 7d 9d 8s 6d / ts 2c 9h 4d 6s ad kd 5c 6h 7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Tc 6c 3c 5d Th 212807 42.56 287193 57.44 0 0.00 0.426 8s 9d 8d 7d 6d 287193 57.44 212807 42.56 0 0.00 0.574 <<< still ahead 6th street (5.25bb) pokenum -7s 3c 6c 5d tc th 2d - 8d 7d 9d 8s 6d 4h / ts 2c 9h 4d 6s ad kd 5c 6h 7-card Stud Hi: 930 enumerated outcomes cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Tc 6c 3c 5d 2d Th 554 59.57 376 40.43 0 0.00 0.596 8s 9d 8d 7d 6d 4h 376 40.43 554 59.57 0 0.00 0.404 prebet equity: .404*5.25=2.1BB after 1 bet: .404*7.25= 2.929BB .829 increment / bet check / call time? your equity decreases with each bet. [/ QUOTE ] blah blah blah ... |
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[ QUOTE ] prebet equity: .404*5.25=2.1BB after 1 bet: .404*7.25= 2.929BB .829 increment / bet check / call time? your equity decreases with each bet. [/ QUOTE ] Cheers for the stats Garlington, just a Q. You say the equity decreases with each bet, but that's only on the river right? It doesn't % increase each street slightly? (sorry - bad with numbers) Cheers, SDM [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, that last bit had me confused too. I don’t think I’ve ever seen the term “prebet equity”. I think I understand what he means though. It’s quite simple: On every street until 6th you have an equity edge. On 4th street, you have an equity edge because you have more than 33% equity with two opponents; on 5th, you have an equity edge because you have more than 50% equity with one opponent. On 6th street though, you have LESS than 50% equity. So you lose money with every bet you put in. That doesn’t mean that you’re pot equity somehow mysteriously is decreased. Pot equity has nothing to do with bets, only with your cards. |
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[ QUOTE ] pokenum -mc 500000 -7s 3c 6c 5d - 8d 7d 9d - ad kd 5c / ts 2c 9h 4d 6s 7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV 6c 3c 5d 131742 26.35 368133 73.63 125 0.03 0.264 9d 8d 7d 214579 42.92 285304 57.06 117 0.02 0.429 <<< 5c Ad Kd 153534 30.71 346418 69.28 48 0.01 0.307 since your ev > 33.3% no problems betting/raising here. 4th street (4.5sb) pokenum -mc 500000 -7s 3c 6c 5d tc - 8d 7d 9d 8s - ad kd 5c 6h / ts 2c 9h 4d 6s 7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Tc 6c 3c 5d 131905 26.38 368028 73.61 67 0.01 0.264 8s 9d 8d 7d 276965 55.39 223020 44.60 15 0.00 0.554 <<< 5c Ad Kd 6h 91049 18.21 408871 81.77 80 0.02 0.182 still no problem betting/raising 5th street (3.25bb) pokenum -mc 500000 -7s 3c 6c 5d tc th - 8d 7d 9d 8s 6d / ts 2c 9h 4d 6s ad kd 5c 6h 7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Tc 6c 3c 5d Th 212807 42.56 287193 57.44 0 0.00 0.426 8s 9d 8d 7d 6d 287193 57.44 212807 42.56 0 0.00 0.574 <<< still ahead 6th street (5.25bb) pokenum -7s 3c 6c 5d tc th 2d - 8d 7d 9d 8s 6d 4h / ts 2c 9h 4d 6s ad kd 5c 6h 7-card Stud Hi: 930 enumerated outcomes cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Tc 6c 3c 5d 2d Th 554 59.57 376 40.43 0 0.00 0.596 8s 9d 8d 7d 6d 4h 376 40.43 554 59.57 0 0.00 0.404 prebet equity: .404*5.25=2.1BB after 1 bet: .404*7.25= 2.929BB .829 increment / bet check / call time? your equity decreases with each bet. [/ QUOTE ] blah blah blah ... [/ QUOTE ] Nice post. I hope it’s your last one. |
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">En respuesta a:</font><hr /> </font><blockquote><font class="small">En respuesta a:</font><hr /> prebet equity: .404*5.25=2.1BB after 1 bet: .404*7.25= 2.929BB .829 increment / bet check / call time? your equity decreases with each bet. [/ QUOTE ] Cheers for the stats Garlington, just a Q. You say the equity decreases with each bet, but that's only on the river right? It doesn't % increase each street slightly? (sorry - bad with numbers) Cheers, SDM [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, that last bit had me confused too. I don’t think I’ve ever seen the term “prebet equity”. I think I understand what he means though. It’s quite simple: On every street until 6th you have an equity edge. On 4th street, you have an equity edge because you have more than 33% equity with two opponents; on 5th, you have an equity edge because you have more than 50% equity with one opponent. On 6th street though, you have LESS than 50% equity. So you lose money with every bet you put in. That doesn’t mean that you’re pot equity somehow mysteriously is decreased. Pot equity has nothing to do with bets, only with your cards. [/ QUOTE ] Cheers Roland, but I'm still confused. Obviously a straight flush is a monster and if you have negative pot equity on the river with a straight flush, wouldn't it stand to reason that with every hand on the river you have negative pot equity? Cheers, SDM |
Re: \"Yuck\" (aka a badly played straight flush?)
Roland,
I'm not sure I understand the bolded sentence. [ QUOTE ] On 6th street though, you have LESS than 50% equity. So you lose money with every bet you put in. That doesn’t mean that you’re pot equity somehow mysteriously is decreased. Pot equity has nothing to do with bets, only with your cards. [/ QUOTE ] Fifth street pot = $13. Hero: EV = 0.574, pot equity = $7.46 Sixth street pot = $21. Hero: EV = 0.404, pot equity = $8.48 So, even though Hero’s EV has decreased, his pot equity has actually increased. Is this what you meant? |
Re: \"Yuck\" (aka a badly played straight flush?)
Let me clarify what I'm saying about sixth street:
6th street (5.25bb) ++++++ pokenum -7s 3c 6c 5d tc th 2d - 8d 7d 9d 8s 6d 4h / ts 2c 9h 4d 6s ad kd 5c 6h 7-card Stud Hi: 930 enumerated outcomes cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Tc 6c 3c 5d 2d Th 554 59.57 376 40.43 0 0.00 0.596 8s 9d 8d 7d 6d 4h 376 40.43 554 59.57 0 0.00 0.404 <<< Before anyone puts in a bet on 6th street, your equity is .404*5.25=2.1BB after you and your opponent put in 1 bet your equity is .404*7.25= 2.929BB your starting equity for this round was 2.1 BB and you just added one bet which totals 3.1BB; however, your pot equity is only 2.929BB. So, you put in a BB but your equity only went up .829BB. In general, (assuming nobody folds) the relationship for your change in equity per bet is: let p = # players in the betting round let e = your equity (per the sim) equity change per bet = p - 1/e |
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Roland, I'm not sure I understand the bolded sentence. [ QUOTE ] On 6th street though, you have LESS than 50% equity. So you lose money with every bet you put in. That doesn’t mean that you’re pot equity somehow mysteriously is decreased. Pot equity has nothing to do with bets, only with your cards. [/ QUOTE ] Fifth street pot = $13. Hero: EV = 0.574, pot equity = $7.46 Sixth street pot = $21. Hero: EV = 0.404, pot equity = $8.48 So, even though Hero’s EV has decreased, his pot equity has actually increased. Is this what you meant? [/ QUOTE ] I didn’t mean that it hasn’t decreased between 5th and 6th street. It obviously has. I don’t know if I understand Ray correctly, but he seems to be saying that there SDMs pot equity would decrease if he bet 6th. That isn’t the case though; he does, however, lose $$$ if he bets. The reason this is so confusing - I think - is that when I talk of pot equity, I’m thinking about percentages but Ray is thinking of $$$. Although it really doesn’t matter - it’s really the same, % or $, who cares, it can be misleading. I’m pretty tired though, so maybe I’m missing something. |
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Obviously a straight flush is a monster and if you have negative pot equity on the river with a straight flush, wouldn't it stand to reason that with every hand on the river you have negative pot equity? [/ QUOTE ] a) There is no such thing as negative pot equity. b) On the river, you either have 100% or 0% pot equity. I’m tired, so hopefully someone else can explain pot equity to you. If not, I will later. |
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Nice post. I hope it’s your last one. [/ QUOTE ] Not trying to be rude, just trying to express my feelings toward that kind of approach. Maybe I'm just old school, but it's my opinion that that mumbo jumbo ain't gonna do you much good in most situations. If I knew what my % EV and "prebet equiity" was for every single situation I ever played in, that would be a great thing, but there are so many unique situations (especially in games like stud) that statistics are often useless for a given situation. The human mind simply can't maintain all of that information and make use of it in every situation. If it were two computers playing eachother, that would be a different story. I like to use my skills as a human being to get the best edge. I'm all about pot odds, but you've gotta draw the line somwhere. There comes a point where good old fashioned intuition is far better than all those numbers. Just a difference in philosophy, sir. I apologize if I offended. |
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Just a difference in philosophy, sir. I apologize if I offended. [/ QUOTE ] Acutlly I agree with this, I'm not interested inpussing situations where I have to use Poker Probe to know if I did right. Personally I think that even for this pretty SF draw too many cards are dead, so I would play it as cheaply as possible, and would probably pass it in a tight game like Party 5/10+ |
Re: \"Yuck\" (aka a badly played straight flush?)
One of the things I've been trying to understand is how the recommended playing strategies can be derived using the sims. I think using them provides some structure which can yield the correct mathematical approach to for playing not just a particular hand, but similar ones.
[ QUOTE ] I think that even for this pretty SF draw too many cards are dead, so I would play it as cheaply as possible, and would probably pass it in a tight game like Party 5/10+ [/ QUOTE ] I think in this case the sims hint that you are wrong. We are all here to learn, and it is nice to have some sort of formal approach to these problems. |
Re: \"Yuck\" (aka a badly played straight flush?)
Roland, I hope you got some rest.
What I'm trying to wrap my math challenged head around is this: Hero has the pot odds to call a bet on sixth. Pot would be offering 6.25:1, while Hero is a 3:2 underdog. Hero should not want to bet himself now that his EV (0.404) is less than 50% in this HU hand. Each bet that he now makes costs him money, e.g. Pot = 5.25 BB and Hero wins the hand 2 times out of 5. Looking at Sixth street in a vacuum. Sixth street (no bets): 3 losses * 0 BB (additional investment) = 0 BB. 2 wins * 5.25BB pot = 10.5 BB. (10.5 BB - 0 BB = 10.5 BB) Sixth street (one bet): 3 losses * 1 BB = 3 BB. 2 wins * 6.25 BB = 12.5 BB. (12.5 BB - 3 BB = 9.5 BB) Sixth street (2 bets): 3 losses * 2 BB = 6 BB 2 wins * 7.25 BB = 14.5 BB (14.5 BB - 6 BB = 8.5 BB) So while you still make money, you make less for each additional bet. SDM, does this make any more sense? I'm not a math person either. Ray, I think this is what you were saying but just a different way of showing it. |
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One of the things I've been trying to understand is how the recommended playing strategies can be derived using the sims. I think using them provides some structure which can yield the correct mathematical approach to for playing not just a particular hand, but similar ones. [/ QUOTE ] I agree. |
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Roland, I hope you got some rest. What I'm trying to wrap my math challenged head around is this: Hero has the pot odds to call a bet on sixth. Pot would be offering 6.25:1, while Hero is a 3:2 underdog. Hero should not want to bet himself now that his EV (0.404) is less than 50% in this HU hand. Each bet that he now makes costs him money, e.g. Pot = 5.25 BB and Hero wins the hand 2 times out of 5. Looking at Sixth street in a vacuum. Sixth street (no bets): 3 losses * 0 BB (additional investment) = 0 BB. 2 wins * 5.25BB pot = 10.5 BB. (10.5 BB - 0 BB = 10.5 BB) Sixth street (one bet): 3 losses * 1 BB = 3 BB. 2 wins * 6.25 BB = 12.5 BB. (12.5 BB - 3 BB = 9.5 BB) Sixth street (2 bets): 3 losses * 2 BB = 6 BB 2 wins * 7.25 BB = 14.5 BB (14.5 BB - 6 BB = 8.5 BB) So while you still make money, you make less for each additional bet. SDM, does this make any more sense? I'm not a math person either. Ray, I think this is what you were saying but just a different way of showing it. [/ QUOTE ] I wish it did greenage but I think I'll have to study it on my own further, and possibly take a primer in maths first. Cheers though. |
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Ray, I think this is what you were saying but just a different way of showing it. [/ QUOTE ] Yes it is. Yet another way to think of it is: "how many bets can I make/call on this betting round and still have some of my original equity left?" |
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