Trap Hand
 

Interesting one from a Stars MTT blinds 25 50. I have 2000 at the start of the hand. NLHE table quite passive. I have 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] bring it in for 100 from mid position 2 callers button and BB

flop 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I check button bets 75. BB calls so do I

turn 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I check button bets 300 bb calls (interesting) So do I

river 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I check button bets 100 bb calls.

What would you do and why ? Both BB & Button have you covered but not by much.

regards

Ross

Re: Trap Hand
 

Push.

If they fold, they will never know what you have and how you played it. If they call, it's nice for you [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] and since the pot is at around 1500 if I calculated it right you pushing will make the pot 3000. Even if they fold you have made quite a nice amount of chips here. Lets hope they call.

Re: Trap Hand
 

I min raise the turn to 600 and then push the river. After that bet and a call I think it's the best way to build the pot and have a chance at getting all the chips in on the river.

Didn't run into the 7c did you?

Re: Trap Hand
 

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I min raise the turn to 600 and then push the river. After that bet and a call I think it's the best way to build the pot and have a chance at getting all the chips in on the river.

Didn't run into the 7c did you?

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It's a Stars tourney of course he ran into the 7&9 [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: Trap Hand
 

Preflop, I really hate the minraise with small suited connectors and no limpers. What were your intentions with the minraise?

With small suited connectors, you want to play it cheaply, with callers, and with position. Since everybody folded to you, this is a very unpromising hand. I would just fold it.

My second choice would be to limp in and see what the flop brings.

My third choice would be to raise 3XBB and see if I can steal the blinds. Two favorable outcomes would be that you steal the blinds, or that only the BB calls and you steal it on the flop. Given your description of a passive table, this may be a good option for an aggressive player.

My last choice would be to minraise. The minraise reduces your number of callers, makes the pot bigger (which means that the odds may dictate that you play a hand that you would rather not), and increases the likelihood that you will be playing a big pot out of position.

On the flop and turn, you correctly slowplayed this. But I hate the checkraise on the river. I would lead out, with the hope that someone has the Ace of clubs and you can get all of his chips. If you checkraise, the Ace of clubs may possibly fold to your raise, figuring that such a show of strength meant that you had the straight flush. That would be a disastrous outcome, to not get all of the chips from the nut flush.

Re: Trap Hand
 

Wow, I missed the open miniraise.

In this case I'd push the river. You are probably ahead, and given your donkish image you will get called by weak str8 and flushes++.

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Nobody's looking to pop this for a 300 min raise on the turn?

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Limp or raise preflop.

Raise the turn. You have two opponents. People may have draws that they won't call on the river with.

Raise the river. I probably wouldn't push with tiny bet and call.

I am sorry you lost to a straight flush. Since you posted this, I assume that happened.

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Limp or raise preflop.

Raise the turn. You have two opponents. People may have draws that they won't call on the river with.

Raise the river. I probably wouldn't push with tiny bet and call.

I am sorry you lost to a straight flush. Since you posted this, I assume that happened.

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Agree.

Re: Trap Hand
 

Is nobody worried about the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ?

Perhaps I am too paranoid, but forgive me, today amrks the end of my first week of online play.

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Is nobody worried about the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ?

Perhaps I am too paranoid, but forgive me, today amrks the end of my first week of online play.

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The Ace of clubs is so much more likely than the 7 of clubs, and will be played just as strongly. So I think you should play this hand as strongly as possible, and do everything you can think of to get your opponent's chips in the middle. If you flop a full house and lose to a straight flush, well, that's just bad luck. But to hedge your bets on the river because you fear the straight flush is wrong, IMO.

Re: Trap Hand
 

The 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] would have bet the river more, your hand is good here, I'd push and hope to get looked up by the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

OT Hand History
 

This is off topic, but your assumption reminded me of a bizarre straight flush hand I was recently involved in. The villian just called my bet on the river, when I would have certainly capped the betting.

Hand #6890922-7332 at Bastia ($2/$4 Hold'em Kill)
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lstezzi is at seat 0 with $41.50.
ComptonPat is at seat 1 with $250.50.
Starbuck11 is at seat 2 with $109.75.
rwmatts is at seat 3 with $209.25.
jnc2552 is at seat 4 with $314.50.
mr_bean is at seat 5 with $148.
McKnife is at seat 6 with $70.75.
Raven-Jackson is at seat 7 with $61.75.
brian giles is at seat 8 with $24.25.
_Raskolnikov_ is at seat 9 with $187.50.
The button is at seat 4.
The partial kill button is at seat 4.

mr_bean posts the small blind of $1.
McKnife posts the big blind of $2.

lstezzi: -- --
ComptonPat: -- --
Starbuck11: -- --
rwmatts: -- --
jnc2552: -- --
mr_bean: -- --
McKnife: -- --
Raven-Jackson: Kc Kh
brian giles: -- --
_Raskolnikov_: -- --

Pre-flop:

Raven-Jackson raises to $4. brian giles folds.
_Raskolnikov_ folds. lstezzi folds. ComptonPat
re-raises to $6. Starbuck11 folds. rwmatts folds.
jnc2552 folds. mr_bean folds. McKnife folds.
Raven-Jackson re-raises to $8. ComptonPat calls.

Flop (board: Ts Ah Qs):

Raven-Jackson bets $2. ComptonPat calls.

Turn (board: Ts Ah Qs Ks):

Raven-Jackson bets $4. ComptonPat raises to $8.
Raven-Jackson calls.

River (board: Ts Ah Qs Ks As):

Raven-Jackson bets $4. ComptonPat calls.



Showdown:

Raven-Jackson shows Kc Kh.
Raven-Jackson has Kc Kh Ah Ks As: full house, kings full of aces.
ComptonPat shows Jc Js.
ComptonPat has Js Ts Qs Ks As: royal flush.


Hand #6890922-7332 Summary:

$2.25 is raked from a pot of $47.
ComptonPat wins $44.75 with royal flush.

Re: OT Hand History
 

Perhaps he's getting a bonus for a royal flush that you only get if you show it down?

Re: Trap Hand
 

I would min raise the turn to 600 or 700.
If river was not a 8c, I would push.

For 8c on the river, I would check first. Someone will bet for you for sure. I would call a medium bet.
For small bet like 100, and one caller, I would push afer my check.

Hope you didn't run into the 7c.

Re: Trap Hand
 

Great response Guys yes of course he had K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] lol. Me I called because it was the most desperate "call me bet" I have ever seen, had he bet a reasonable amount I'm all-in and toast.

The poster who said I had a donkish image yes and sometimes it pays very well. I am playing around with different plays the pre-flop min raise with low to middle suited connectors when I am up against not very aggressive opponents being one of them. The move has come good on several occasions and the main reason is deception because you raised even the smarter players tend to discount the possibility of you holding a 65 for instance. Also because of the pre-flop raise it is easier to represent strength and make a play at the pot if nobody looks like they have hit anything much.

Oh yes if you hit it and turn it over your opponents TILT - big time because they have just lost to a complete donk.

Thanks


Ross