What do you think about raising this turn?
 

MP is loose and fairly aggressive

UTG is semi-loose and fairly aggressive

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, MP calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero ?

Re: What do you think about raising this turn?
 

I did this very move yesterday night. Unless you're unlucky and villain flopped a set, you wont get re-raised. The move is nice because while raising the turn won't win you the pot if you're behind, it will: (a) get you to showdown for the same price as check-calling, and (b) give you the opportunity for a value bet/raise if you draw out.

Re: What do you think about raising this turn?
 

I don't like it much.

Why did you relinquish the lead on the flop?

Krishan - 86

Re: What do you think about raising this turn?
 

no flop bet?

I probably would not raise the turn, it just seems like MP has a pair of something after the action on the flop + turn. the flow of the hand is weird though cause I'm used to seeing the flop bet.

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Why did you relinquish the lead on the flop?

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ok..

Why am I betting this flop? And if you do bet the flop, are you betting a turn blank if they both call?

Great day of learning for me here today....thanks.

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If you raise the flop, do you bet the turn and check behind on the river UI? I think you get c/red a reasonable number of times on the turn when you do that. OTOH, maybe I raise this flop also--it's certainly not out of line. Recently, I've taken to a lot more "delayed aggression" tactics, since flop raises are way more suspect. Which is why I liked your HU play in the other thread a lot against a TAG.

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Why am I betting this flop? And if you do bet the flop, are you betting a turn blank if they both call?

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You are betting this flop for value. If they both call, it depends on read as to whether I bet or check but I most likely check. If I picked up a gutshot like you did in this hand, I definitely call. Otherwise I probably call.

Anything in this can change based on reads.

Krishan - 88

Re: What do you think about raising this turn?
 

I don't see any value in raising the turn. MP has a pair that he will never fold and UTG isn't folding anything that you want to fold.

I'd bet the non-scary flop against just 2 opponents.

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If you raise the flop, do you bet the turn and check behind on the river UI? I think you get c/red a reasonable number of times on the turn when you do that. OTOH, maybe I raise this flop also--it's certainly not out of line. Recently, I've taken to a lot more "delayed aggression" tactics, since flop raises are way more suspect. Which is why I liked your HU play in the other thread a lot against a TAG.

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I'm advocating a bet on the flop. I'm not sure what you are asking.

Krishan

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Oops, I read this whole hand wrong, and thought he was on the button and had last action.

I would change my response. I would bet the flop and the turn, and call a raise on the turn.

I wouldn't c/r the turn with the overs and the gutshot.

Re: What do you think about raising this turn?
 

Seems like you're raising when behind and out of position. It's an almost completely drawless board, I don't see the MP betting on air, even if he is aggressive.

Unless UTG folds and MP will fold to your river bet, I don't see you winning unless you hit your cards.

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Why did you relinquish the lead on the flop?

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Why am I betting this flop? And if you do bet the flop, are you betting a turn blank if they both call?

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I bet this flop because:
1) I'm calling a bet anyway, so I might as well lead it.
2) Calling one bet doesn't tell me much, but having them raise me on the flop indicates I can easily check/fold the turn.
3) Betting might put me HU, in which case leading the turn may win the pot.
4) It helps keep my flop bets unreadable. Unless you're check/raising the flop regularly, a check here just shows you missed.

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Why am I betting this flop?

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On a flop like that, there's a good chance you have the best hand, for one.

Also, I'd love to fold at least one of my opponents and keep the initiative.

If they both call my flop bet, I usually will not lead the turn. But I may call a bet, depends on what falls.

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Why did you relinquish the lead on the flop?

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Why am I betting this flop? And if you do bet the flop, are you betting a turn blank if they both call?

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I bet this flop because:
1) I'm calling a bet anyway, so I might as well lead it.
2) Calling one bet doesn't tell me much, but having them raise me on the flop indicates I can easily check/fold the turn.
3) Betting might put me HU, in which case leading the turn may win the pot.
4) It helps keep my flop bets unreadable. Unless you're check/raising the flop regularly, a check here just shows you missed.

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Perfect. Thanks.