Party beginners
 

You guys played these? Average table here is 50VPIP(Thats with stats on every player at my table).

They are OWNING MY ASS. Im down $69(BB) over 2.2k hands thats -3BB/100 for everyone whose winning 2BB/100 and whinging.

Anyone tips for how to beat these jack ass's? They suck so bad its unreal, but with 5players seeing the river its hard for AKo, AQo, QQ, JJ etc to stand up.

Bankbalance is decreasing more each day... down to $96....


Any words of confidance? Advice to beat jack ass's? Think im about to turn weak tight/Fitfold as whenever im raised and call down I LOSE.

Party Beginners tables suck.

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"These Players Are So Bad That I Can't Beat Them" threads usually don't end well around here.

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Value bet relentlessly.

Pacific was the same way when I started playing but just play ABC poker and show down the best hand. Never bluff (well very rarely) but value bet.

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Just looking for advice on partys tables, Downswings suck specially when the tables are so juicy.

yeh im value betting, hardly bluffing, Playing same tight game.

Only thing is leaking me is calling down premium hands after being raised by a passive... maybe ill go weaktight and fold when passive fecker wakes up.

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You wanna watch me get sucked out? You vanished last night, i dont have your aim.

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These tables are stupidly soft. Keep at it for the 45 days or so that they're open to you, even if you have to reload.

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At least you are allowed to play there. Can't find a single full ring table with vpip over 25 right now on party! Not a single one [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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Loose tables like these require more hand protecting (a little bit of pot manipulation and well placed raises), and building big pots with your drawing hands. One mistake a beginning player makes on tables with 6 to the flop is overvalue their TPTKs. While they are strong hands in shorter handed games, they require a lot of protecting in loose games like the beginner tables.

In short, work to win pots quickly with pair hands, work to build pots aggressively with your draws.

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Thes tables are the best you will ever find on the internet. Don't tilt and play as much as you can for the 45 day period. I only got in 8,000 hands or so for mine and i hate myself for it.

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Just a question, If I sign up for one of the skins can I play the beginner tables or is it just for Party?

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Anyone wanna watch/Sweat me?

Add: POKhERLH to aim and ill give you my table [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Chat soon.

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I love these tables. Playing there is almost like going to the ATM. I was finishing up clearing a bonus at empire and was -60BB over the last 2 days on tables that were unusually tight. After I finished clearing it I moved over to Party and had made that all back in an hour and a half. When you've got a premium hand just keep betting and raising. They'll call down with anything. I flopped aces full last night, and had someone call me down with nothing more than a King.

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Play suited connectors more than you normally would, be careful with high PP that will drain you if you overbet them.

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I hope you're not too tight...

And playing the "same game" isn't smart to do at any table. Look at the table and play the game that best suits those around you.

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well ive opened up with Ax's and pp's but still pretty tight.
17/7 over 2300 hands so far.


I feel like such a noob now i've lost, really does make me wonder ifim playing "good poker". need a sweating session again.

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You're definitely missing out on some profitable opportunities, and you're not raising enough. You should be able to limp a lot of stuff UTG, and you should be looking to raise more on the button for value. We had one poster around here for a while, grjr, who was having success with a 27% VPIP. I was always a little skeptical, but under these conditions, I think you could pull that off.

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Trouble is its a big mix of loads of fish, with the odd tag.
I've limped Qjo and find i lose due to kick to KJo etc.

Really hard to get away with limping things when theres such a wierd mix. I've moved to a tighter table to see how this goes for the next hour.

Then ill open another, Driving me mad this downswing... makes me doubt my whole game.

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I went digging into the archives for some of grjr's posts that I liked. He had a really great series of play alongs that brought out the best of not only the regulars of this forum (look for veterans here who were then n00bs), but also some people from Mid/High came to chime in. This is probably some of the best preflop discussion you'll read outside of the training wheels post, and there are lots of great considerations postflop, too. These should all be required reading for anyone who hasn't seen them before.

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this thread is going places

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Some thoughts on regaining confidence.

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Hang in there. I played at these beginner tables and had a downswing at the beginning but eventually made out like a bandit. Just slow down and think. You are probably one of the best players at any table you choose.

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If the tables are THAT loose with 7-8 people seeing the flop and 5 people seeing the river, you just have to play hands that play better multiway. Pocket pairs, suited broadways, suited connectors. These games should be really easy to make money from. Still raise preflop with your JJ and QQ hands, but if there are like 10 people to the flop you are pretty much hoping to make a monster hand. Your overpair will hold up once in a while but not as often, you have to really pay attention to the board texture.

IMO offsuit hands AJo or even AQo are pretty marginal in these types of games, as one pair type hands are not going to hold up often enough. You want hands that are going to be able win big pots.

EDIT: Your VPIP should be in the low-mid 20's you should be playing every pocket pair, every suited broadway and every suited connector at least 78s or above.

EDIT2: Play any suited ace and probably any suited king as long as you're sure it'll be multiway. Man I just got a boner.

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You've got to push through downswings. I'm currently at these tables myself and they are a gold mine. I've taken them for 700BB at 1/2 over 11k hands. That includes a 4,000 hand 120BB downswing.

Basically I play a LOT more suited hands. You're guaranteed to get paid off well for almost any flush you catch. Any pocket pair can be profitable from any position as well.

Also, if i'm on the button and 5 or more people limp, I'll raise it up with Axs and most pocket pairs.

I play a ton more trashy suited hands as well. With 5 or more limpers I'm in there with Kxs and Qxs. At passive tables I'll play J9s from EP as well.

Just remember suited hands and pocket pairs go WAY up in value. High unsuited cards go down in value. With 5 or 6 limpers, don't raise AQ unsuited or lower.

Also, give up on blind stealing. Don't do it at these tables unless you are ABSOLUTELY positive the blinds are tight and will fold AND there is no one in between that will call.

And don't bluff unless the opportunity is presented to you on a silver platter.

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I pushed through it, Now im 2.5BB/100 @ 5000 hands.