I Hate This River
 

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (16 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, Button folds.

River: (14.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 [b]auto raises</font>, Hero Pukes and.....

Re: I Hate This River
 

Ummm... Makes a read???

Posting this without a read is ludicrous.

Re: I Hate This River
 

folds

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pays off like a broken slot machine?


I just wanted to say that. I fold, you cant even beat top pair, and villain expects you to call.


-blake

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I was new to the table and haven't played with this man before.

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Would anyone check this river? UTG is taking lots of heat which could easily have been a flush draw (considering his flop raise also). I think if you check a bet may go in if you're ahead and you save getting raised if behind. If I bet, I fold to the raise. A king beats you also!

Jeff

Re: I Hate This River
 

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I was new to the table and haven't played with this man before.

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Against an unknown I can't think calling here is going to be positive EV. I agree with the others that folding is probably good.

Results
 

I ended up folding but was not happy about it

Re: I Hate This River
 

I think if a case can be made for check-calling the river, this is it. The K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] makes the straight, the overpair, the flush... it's the worst card for you. Bet/fold is probably no worse than check-call here, but check-call gets to see his hand. Sure looks like he's on a flush draw.

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I vote check/call as well, every single draw just came in,

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I vote check/call as well, every single draw just came in,

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Re: I Hate This River
 

all the draws? i see one draw.
everyone who wants to checkcall the river, please attempt to explain why you would play this way.
i think checkcalling there is a pretty bad play.

i do agree with those that said you should fold to the autoraise.

Re: I Hate This River
 

if u arent willing to pay off that raise check/call cause not only did an over come but so did the flush...

want a puke bag? i keep a few handy for when i play and when i go out to eat [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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I'm just curious as to what you expect villain's pre-flop range to be. As far as I can tell the only hand which villain could have here is A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Perhaps A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Kx, but I don't see him calling after the blank turn. I think that a read is very important here, but I just don't see a very wide range of hands that caps pre-flop, raises the flop and is helped by that K.

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This is interesting. It appears that either I'm blind or multiple posters have misread the situation. PF, UTG+1 limped, called a 3-bet, and then called a cap--sounds like a calling station. The flop came 2 spades, and all of a sudden he woke up and raised--sounds like a flush draw (or wheel draw if he's a total fish...there's some tiny chance of this being a set but players like this almost ALWAYS wait until the turn to raise with their set). Then he passively calls a flop 3-bet. The turn blanks and so he just calls. The river makes his obvious flush and, hooray, he was bet into so he can make the obvious raise and take down the pot! I think you should check the river and calling/folding is close.

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This is the perfect way to check/call. This play is probably the most optimal play. With two other players to see the river, you have to double check your QQ and may consider they might not be good when the Ks came out. Flush is one draw you definitely have to consider.