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Big Bend 10-01-2005 10:08 AM

The Aggressive / Wuss play
 
The villian is 47/11/1.4 after 500 hands, with a 1.9 check raise value.

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (5 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

River: (5.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB

Should I have fired the 2nd barrel on the turn? Should I have value bet the river? Thx.. BB

10-01-2005 10:16 AM

Re: The Aggressive / Wuss play
 
Looks good.

I would bet the turn and take a free river. River bet cards would be....any jack, non-diamond ten, non-diamond queen.

Don't hold me to any of that stuff though. I'm still working on my value bets and river folds.

billyjex 10-01-2005 10:24 AM

Re: The Aggressive / Wuss play
 
Definetely bet the river and fold to a raise against this kind of guy. He is in pure calldown mode and looks like he is weaker than a T. If he C/R the river... I guess you fold, because it's pretty ugly.

Spicymoose 10-01-2005 10:34 AM

Re: The Aggressive / Wuss play
 
I think you have to bet this river. Other than that, no problems.

ArturiusX 10-01-2005 11:42 AM

Re: The Aggressive / Wuss play
 
Bet the river.

Buz 10-01-2005 12:40 PM

Re: The Aggressive / Wuss play
 
Why not check behind on the Flop and bet the Turn? [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
There's 5 SB when U bet the Flop and 3.5 BB when U bet the turn giving him pot odds to draw to a Flush. If U check the Flop and bet the Turn then he has no odds to call your turn bet if he's trying to draw to the flush or to two overs. You win without a fight. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Lmn55d 10-01-2005 12:44 PM

Re: The Aggressive / Wuss play
 
I would check behind on the turn against this player. River is an easy value bet.

imported_ncray 10-01-2005 12:47 PM

Re: The Aggressive / Wuss play
 
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Why not check behind on the Flop and bet the Turn? [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]


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You have to bet this flop for possible value and fold equity. You may have the best hand, and you would like to avoid giving a free card. There's a chance you take the pot down right now because you showed strength preflop.

10-01-2005 12:54 PM

Re: The Aggressive / Wuss play
 
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Why not check behind on the Flop and bet the Turn? [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
There's 5 SB when U bet the Flop and 3.5 BB when U bet the turn giving him pot odds to draw to a Flush. If U check the Flop and bet the Turn then he has no odds to call your turn bet if he's trying to draw to the flush or to two overs. You win without a fight. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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If only poker was that simple. What if he bets into you on the turn? What if a flush card hits the turn for free? You can't calculate a problem with only the factors you like and ignore the ones you don't like.

This is an easy flop bet for value, fold equity and turn options.

Buz 10-01-2005 01:06 PM

Re: The Aggressive / Wuss play
 
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This is an easy flop bet for value, fold equity and turn options.


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I suppose if you are going to fire at the blinds with a marginal hand, you may as well empty your gun.

10-01-2005 01:14 PM

Re: The Aggressive / Wuss play
 
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This is an easy flop bet for value, fold equity and turn options.


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I suppose if you are going to fire at the blinds with a marginal hand, you may as well empty your gun.

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I have lots of bullets.

Big Bend 10-01-2005 02:26 PM

Re: The Aggressive / Wuss play
 
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I suppose if you are going to fire at the blinds with a marginal hand, you may as well empty your gun.

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Don't be a wuss dude. SH gota attack blinds, QT easy open raise on the button, and a follow up flop bet is +EV representing the K hoping SB will fold. I think firing away on the turn is also +EV hoping villian will give up a draw or just get scared and fold a hand like 22. The philosophy is not "the blinds are small and we are weak" its "ram, jam, win anyway you can". My VP$IP is only 22 and those few pots I contest I want to come out swinging. Welcome to 6-max. And ya I shoulda value bet the river instead of wussing the dreaded CR.

Villian had A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] BTW. Thanks for the advice ya'll... BB


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