I lost 12,000 playing 75 150
 

sucks huh?

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Yup.

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give a hoot dont pollute (the forum)

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80 BB. Not that impressive.

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that's "only" 80 big bets

admittedly, 80 big bets is quite a lot in one session, but perhaps you played too long when the table-style didn't suit you?

better luck tomorrow

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but still sucks dollar amount wise

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if it was so painful that he felt the need to post about it here then it's entirely possible he shouldn't have been playing that high in the first place.

Also - if losing $12k really is that painful for you...there's nothing stopping you from leaving the game after you're "only" down $7k or so.

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lol, "only" down 7k....

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https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/cmason/www/whambulance.jpg

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nh

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If this bothers you, you are not ready for 75/150

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Early today I was playing on a $25 PLO table on Party and I lost this big pot so I had to rebuy like $20. What's up with that?

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I assume you have at least a bankroll of 30,000 to be playing 75/150, if not the recommended 45,000? (300 BB's)

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i lost my debit card on saturday - that sucked to the tune of $191.38 of free gas for someone

true it's not 12k but we both know the pain of loss(well not really b/c my bank issued a credit - nevermind)

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if it was so painful that he felt the need to post about it here then it's entirely possible he shouldn't have been playing that high in the first place.

Also - if losing $12k really is that painful for you...there's nothing stopping you from leaving the game after you're "only" down $7k or so.

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its time to get outta the kidie pool and start making some moves

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if it was so painful that he felt the need to post about it here then it's entirely possible he shouldn't have been playing that high in the first place.

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Yup, I was talking about this very exact thing to a coworker yesterday at Happy Hour. He plays poker but won't touch online because a buddy of his lost $7,500 online and had his car repo'd. My exact words to him was "I bet he was playing over his head".

I make double playing poker online what I make at my job (granted my job blows and I don't get paid crap), I play about 5000 hands a month (which 4-tabling gives me about 250 hands per hour or in short 20 hours a month playing poker) and I've never put more than $100 down on a table at once.

Never did understand why people put that much money at risk on a table when you don't have to to make good money online.

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I make double playing poker online what I make at my job (granted my job blows and I don't get paid crap)

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Never did understand why people put that much money at risk on a table when you don't have to to make good money online.

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= Why don't you quit your job?

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I make double playing poker online what I make at my job (granted my job blows and I don't get paid crap)

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Never did understand why people put that much money at risk on a table when you don't have to to make good money online.

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= Why don't you quit your job?

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you can't be this stupid.

job could equal:

free health insurance
easier to get bank loans
etc..

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I make double playing poker online what I make at my job (granted my job blows and I don't get paid crap), I play about 5000 hands a month (which 4-tabling gives me about 250 hands per hour or in short 20 hours a month playing poker) and I've never put more than $100 down on a table at once.

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Wait, you make double playing poker than you do at your job and yet you only put $100 on the table? Uh, so you make like $8 an hour working?

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I assume you have at least a bankroll of 30,000 to be playing 75/150, if not the recommended 45,000? (300 BB's)

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I would never plan to play 75-150 on such a short bankroll.

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Move up and get it back quicker.

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I assume you have at least a bankroll of 30,000 to be playing 75/150, if not the recommended 45,000? (300 BB's)

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I would never plan to play 75-150 on such a short bankroll.

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How many BB's would you suggest?

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I assume you have at least a bankroll of 30,000 to be playing 75/150, if not the recommended 45,000? (300 BB's)

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I would never plan to play 75-150 on such a short bankroll.

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How many BB's would you suggest?

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AT LEAST 75k.

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NH

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sucks huh?

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I assume you have at least a bankroll of 30,000 to be playing 75/150, if not the recommended 45,000? (300 BB's)

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I would never plan to play 75-150 on such a short bankroll.

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How many BB's would you suggest?

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AT LEAST 75k.

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I'm curious as to why 500BB's is required as opposed to the standard Mason set with 300BB?

Cheers,
SDM

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My guess would be because the games are tougher. And also probably get short handed a lot of times. But, that is just my guess.

craig

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I assume you have at least a bankroll of 30,000 to be playing 75/150, if not the recommended 45,000? (300 BB's)

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Honestly you should have a bankroll of $100,000 or more when playing in games like this.

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more thoughts on bankroll requirements and staying within your 'psychological' and 'emotional' bankroll:


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yup.
actually I probably wouldn't play 75/150 even with $100k....but I guess it's possible I might take a shot or two.
Probably 50/100 would still be my max.

At 30/60 playing 2 or 3 tables I believe it's pretty common to have $1k or more swings every few minutes.
$10k (up or down) in a full day of playing is possible.


(2+2'er I know who finally gave the 20/40 and 30/60 games a try with his $40k bankroll made $10k in his first day...but said the swings were just draining him. He took more frequent breaks just to keep his head on straight.)


I think it was the 'jennicide returns' thread in NVG forum where we had a brief discussion of bankroll requirements for 100/200.
I believe daryn mentioned that $150k should be the minimum to think about playing 100/200 on Stars.


The opponents are generally going to be tougher and the swings will be more substantial.
The game will be short-handed (or even heads-up/3-handed) quite a bit.


There's also been a lot of discussion in HUSH (and other forums) about 300BB being a bit on the light side even at the lower limits.


If I were to play 50/100 I would want to be in a position where I could say, "Well...I only dropped $10k today. Not my idea of a good time...but coulda been worse. I'll get 'em tomorrow."


Basically, my rule of thumb is that I have to be prepared to drop 100BB's very quickly...otherwise I shouldn't be playing that limit.
So if dropping $2k is something that would get to me (just psychologically) then I know I should NOT be playing 10/20 on that day.

Not only can a $2k drop VERY easily happen....but if I know that dropping $2k would suck THAT badly, then I can be pretty sure that dropping just half of that (only 50BB's) would probably effect me more than I would care to admit.

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someone ban this guy

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someone ban this guy for trying to ban me. Wow some people are so uptight

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While the original topic was a bit whiney (I do feel for you though cactus), it has fostered a somewhat interesting discussion on bankroll requirements at the higher limits.

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the easy answer is, the players are better, the games are harder and your edge is smaller. variance is bigger too.

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Yeah middle limits short-handed is tough, $10/20 and particularly $20/40. 200-300 BB drops are entirely possible at any time.

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I make double playing poker online what I make at my job (granted my job blows and I don't get paid crap), I play about 5000 hands a month (which 4-tabling gives me about 250 hands per hour or in short 20 hours a month playing poker) and I've never put more than $100 down on a table at once.

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Wait, you make double playing poker than you do at your job and yet you only put $100 on the table? Uh, so you make like $8 an hour working?

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MacDonalds?

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Yes Bob, I agree that $150,000 is a good bankroll amount for $100/200. However, I think that someone could play in $100/200 and take shots in it with $75,000 or even a little less in their roll.

The last few weeks, I have been playing some $300/600 online and I don't have a $500,000 roll for it (which is what I'd like to have to begin playing it as my "regular" game), but I'm comfortable taking calculated shots in hopes of hitting some big scores to build that roll quicker, since the difference between $50/100 and $100/200 earns and $300/600 earns is phenomenal enough to make the risk worthwhile (while knowing I can afford to risk enough BBs in 300/600 to give these 'shots' a legit shot and in fact make it more than just flipping coins with a 51-49 type edge for thousands at a time).

So yeah. In higher games I think it mainly comes down to having enough to at least let yourself feel comfortable, having losses not take you out of what you'd consider your 'normal' game, and then being able to handle the inherit swings which come along with it.

I'll admit, I lost $14,000 this afternoon playing in 300/600 in like an hour and it still stung a little bit (but I'm guessing the difference between me and the OP is that this loss and a few more like it isn't going to take me out of a $100/200 game, where as the OP likely lost a large hunk of his playing roll in the 75/150 session). I know it's only like 25BBs but that doesn't matter. It's just something to get over with, and the more it happens the less it stings and the more comfortable you get with it.

I really hope this post doesn't rub anyone the wrong way and isn't taken to be read as a BK style gloat post, since I'm really just trying to provide some honest facts.

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as far as i'm concerned it is relevent information.

it's interesting to hear the ideas of guys like you and daryn who are playing these game fairly regularly.


keep on keepin' on...and you are my freaking hero btw.



obviously i haven't played 100/200 and don't really know...but what i saw of that game on Stars is that it isn't exactly passive (couple raises on every street it seemed...really freaking aggressive) so obviously that effects variance.


As far as taking shots in a short-handed, agggressive game with 375 BB's....($75k for 100/200) that's obviously up to the individual and their own personal risk tolerance.

Obviously if you take an 80BB hit you're going to think about getting out of there and maybe trying it again after you rebuild a little bit.

I don't think I would do it though....but again, that's up to the individual.

I really don't think I'm that disciplined or uptight about these things even though sometimes it may sound that way.
I really feel like I take more 'shots' then I should and have been kind of risky at times.

But I'm obviously not as aggressive about moving up as you guys have been (partly because I'm simply not nearly as good a player as you guys are either nor have I dedicated nearly as much time to improving and learning)

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I went through two 150BB swings and one 100BB swing in my first 20K hands at 5/10 this month and those are average-sized for SH. I think if you want to have any semblance of sanity playing SH you need at least 500BB, particularly as you move up and your edge gets smaller and the play becomes more and more aggressive.

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Ha, I guess I'll stop calling you a pussy for not playing 3/6 then.