I have a set, check/fold?
 

Live 20-40. I open UTG with KK, passes around to button who 3 bets, BB on raging tilt goes all in for 15 chips total, button and I call and we're heads up for the flop. A little background, button knows I generally play very solid but he's seen me make one or two goofy plays. I know he plays solid but I've seen him do the same. We've never made strange plays against each other though. Flop comes A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I check, he bets, I raise, he 3 bets, I 4 bet, he 5 bets, I 6 bet, he 7 bets, I pause for a sec and 8 bet, he insta-9 bets, I puke and go into check call mode. Turn is 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I check call. River is blank and as I check BB mucks K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] face up in disgust. Big pot, muck a set for 1 more?

Re: I have a set, check/fold?
 

where did you muck a set?

didn't you win a big pot?

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Are you asking if the old "8-bet and fold to a 9-bet" strategy applies here?

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I raise the turn

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I think you played this hand fine as long as you dont fold on the end. The pot is too big now to even consider folding for one more bet. I realize that when the big blind flashed his hand it dramatically hurt your chances of winning since the villain cannot have AK now and the chances of the villain having TT just went down by 67%. But I still think you must call here.

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Here's an idea. If you're going to put in 9 bets with the second nuts, call the turn, and then fold the river with the same hand, just call the 7th bet and see a showdown. Were you drawing to your one out on the turn and river? If not, why would you fold the river for one bet after putting in 9 on the flop? This doesn't make any sense. The pot is freakin huge, only one hand beats you, and you've known he had that hand since the flop. You would be better off folding the flop and tossing him the extra 1.5 BB. It would save time.

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I think you played this hand fine as long as you dont fold on the end. The pot is too big now to even consider folding for one more bet. I realize that when the big blind flashed his hand it dramatically hurt your chances of winning since the villain cannot have AK now and the chances of the villain having TT just went down by 67%. But I still think you must call here.

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To the OP: Slow down after he 5-bets or 7-bets. And definitely don't fold. You only have the 2nd nuts. Not only that, there's more than 1 way he can have AA.

To Westley: I don't know why it matters if the chances that the guy has TT has decreased. Do you think any sane person is 9-betting TT on an AK3 flop? Also, it's -50%, not -67%.

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I raise the turn

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Re: I have a set, check/fold?
 

this would be a very nice fold.

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fold and ill slap you but like another said, slowdown after its 7 bet on the flop. Most players aren't going 8 bets + without AA here

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Bet flop, and reraise his raise. When he makes it four...call him down. Sure, once you see the case K, that rules out AK....but I don't think your certainty level of AA is high enough to muck. Maybe this is the time he decided to make one of those goofy plays.

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This hand would've been really interesting if the river was a 3 and I'm forced to lay down kings full for one more bet. Yes, I could've slowed down by bet 7, but anybody that slows down before that is just weak tight. Raising the turn is just bad because if I want to confirm my suspicions I'd rather do it on the cheap street. When BB turned his hand over there were exactly two hands button could have and I gave 33 2% at best so I mucked it. Button of course turns up aces. Someone please direct me to the game where someone would go 9 bets on the flop with QQ or less.

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this fold should be good IMO unless you think he'll play QJcc like this. but he'll never bet the river with that, ever. and i dont think he 3bets 33 here preflop nor does he go 9 bets on the flop with it so i fold.

btw you went a little nutso on the flop.

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I raise the turn

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feel free to sit in my games

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I think you played this hand fine as long as you dont fold on the end. The pot is too big now to even consider folding for one more bet. I realize that when the big blind flashed his hand it dramatically hurt your chances of winning since the villain cannot have AK now and the chances of the villain having TT just went down by 67%. But I still think you must call here.

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this post is obviously a joke.

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Here's an idea. If you're going to put in 9 bets with the second nuts, call the turn, and then fold the river with the same hand, just call the 7th bet and see a showdown. Were you drawing to your one out on the turn and river? If not, why would you fold the river for one bet after putting in 9 on the flop? This doesn't make any sense. The pot is freakin huge, only one hand beats you, and you've known he had that hand since the flop. You would be better off folding the flop and tossing him the extra 1.5 BB. It would save time.

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the reason he wants to fold is b/c the case K was flashed so there is now zero possibility of opponent having AK and therefore no legitimate hand he could possibly have besides AA. (although that is pretty much true after going 9 bets on the flop but hey.....)

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I wouldnt go 9 bets on the flop. I also would call the river getting the odds you are, but [censored] it's close.

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nh

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This hand would've been really interesting if the river was a 3 and I'm forced to lay down kings full for one more bet. Yes, I could've slowed down by bet 7, but anybody that slows down before that is just weak tight. Raising the turn is just bad because if I want to confirm my suspicions I'd rather do it on the cheap street. When BB turned his hand over there were exactly two hands button could have and I gave 33 2% at best so I mucked it. Button of course turns up aces. Someone please direct me to the game where someone would go 9 bets on the flop with QQ or less.

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No, THIS post is a joke. There's no sane person going more than 2 bets on the flop with QQ. And none going more than 4 on the flop with 33. It's really low level thinking to say, "oh, I have a set of kings, I can't put in less than 7 bets." Nobody is putting in 7 bets with you with anything that you beat. You think AK is putting in 7 bets? Then your read is incorrect and the villain is not a solid player.