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I was playing on Prima this afternoon. The UTG had already been complaining about the bad beats he was receiving. On this hand he raises pre-flop and everyone folds to the BB who calls with 42s. Of course, the BB wins when he flops two pair and the UTG is really complaining now. Then the BB says, "what did you expect, I was in the big blind and everyone folded."

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I was playing on Prima this afternoon. The UTG had already been complaining about the bad beats he was receiving. On this hand he raises pre-flop and everyone folds to the BB who calls with 42s. Of course, the BB wins when he flops two pair and the UTG is really complaining now. Then the BB says, "what did you expect, I was in the big blind and everyone folded."

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POTY

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I've got one that made me LOL. And I'm a cold-hearted sumuvabitch.

Fishie was also openly complaining about his bad beats. "I've had 10 10 twice and can't get [censored]." That's not the funny.

Anyway, he gets heads up in a hand where he raises EP and gets 3-bet. He caps.

Flop is 959 and he leads, gets raised, 3-bets and is capped.

Turn is a brick and he check/calls.

River is a 3rd nine and he check/calls.

Fishie turns over AJ for 3 9s, ace high.

His opponent turns over AA and scoops the pot.

Fishie types in the chat box, "Wow. This is bullshit."

LOL.

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I've encountered some "fish-table coaches" before that I found humorous (I used to be annoyed, but now I laugh).

After moving in for the second time in 4 hands (when its 5 handed in a SNG where blinds are large) I get called and immediately (like he already had it typed out ready to go) he says "works everytime but once."

then of course all of the various "grr only on pokerstars" "You got bodog'd", "Riverstar'd" "ace in every flop on UB"...etc. ah, it never ends.

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"Do you have pockets?"

Or my all time favorite when i missed a straight draw and bet out the river with 8-high and got called by Queen high, "Good bet, I almost folded"

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I've encountered some "fish-table coaches...

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It's up there with worst play ever but the best bit is Fishie leaving because of it to probably go and play with the pro's. Don't know why, it was me that lost.

***** Hand History for Game 2792092040 *****
1/2 Texas Hold'em Game Table (Limit) - Wed Sep 28 20:51:47 EDT 2005
Table Beginners 1054117 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: chenyupar ( $43.50)
Seat 2: Kahlone ( $61.37)
Seat 3: mackemgreg ( $75.25)
Seat 4: eugandash ( $31)
Seat 5: jk7and7 ( $41.50)
Seat 6: Mahlzeit ( $56.25)
Seat 8: mjezzy ( $105.45)
Seat 9: UFL_Gators ( $24.13)
Seat 10: dorseynelson ( $89.25)
Mahlzeit posts small blind (0.50)
mjezzy posts big blind (1)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to mackemgreg [ Kd, Kh ]
UFL_Gators folds.
dorseynelson calls (1)
chenyupar folds.
Kahlone folds.
mackemgreg raises (2) to 2
eugandash folds.
jk7and7 folds.
Mahlzeit raises (2.50) to 3
mjezzy raises (3) to 4
dorseynelson folds.
mackemgreg calls (2)
Mahlzeit calls (1)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qs, 6s, 8d ]
Mahlzeit bets (1)
mjezzy calls (1)
mackemgreg raises (2) to 2
Mahlzeit calls (1)
mjezzy calls (1)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 3s ]
Mahlzeit bets (2)
mjezzy calls (2)
mackemgreg calls (2)
** Dealing River ** : [ 3c ]
Mahlzeit checks.
mjezzy bets (2)
mackemgreg calls (2)
Mahlzeit calls (2)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $30 | Rake: $1
Board: [ Qs 6s 8d 3s 3c ]

mjezzy balance $125.45, bet $10, collected $30, net +$20 [ Jh 3h ] [ three
of a kind, threes -- Qs,Jh,3h,3s,3c ]
mackemgreg balance $65.25, lost $10 [ Kd Kh ] [ two pairs, kings and
threes -- Kd,Kh,Qs,3s,3c ]
Mahlzeit balance $46.25, lost $10 [ Ah Ac ] [ two pairs, aces and threes --
Ah,Ac,Qs,3s,3c ]


jk7and7: pice of XXXX
jk7and7: whtn u callin a raise with
jk7and7: get the fck out of here
jk7and7: the fck
jk7and7: XXX
jk7and7: sht eater
jk7and7: go away
jk7and7: lrn how 2 play
Mahlzeit: he won didnt her
Mahlzeit: then his game is working well
jk7and7: WHAT GET LUCKY WXXXLONG WILL THAT LAST
Mahlzeit: hey its his money
Mahlzeit: i know it sucks when someone wiht a hand like that beats you trust
me it happens a lot
jk7and7: keep pulling sht like tht
jk7and7: sht up jizz
jk7and7: dumb ass plyers
mackemgreg: you upsetting people jezzy?
mjezzy: so
jk7and7: to scared to even say a word
jk7and7: where u from not america
jk7and7: XXX
jk7and7: talk puss
mjezzy: u r an a hole
mjezzy: short stack
jk7and7: wXXXmuch u buy in for
mjezzy: 30
mjezzy: yeah u suck
jk7and7: yeah im up 30 and i suck ur smart
mjezzy: compared 2 me yeah
jk7and7: fck ths table
jk7and7 has left the table.

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Actually calling with 4 2 s in this spot is not too fishy if EP cant get away from a hand (big pot) and you play decent post flop. Calling for 1SB to win maybe 5 BB seems decent.

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Actually calling with 4 2 s in this spot is not too fishy if EP cant get away from a hand (big pot) and you play decent post flop. Calling for 1SB to win maybe 5 BB seems decent.

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HAHAA!!! Give me the party name of the fish who said that! Best one yet!

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I guess you are resonding to me...

pokenum -h ah kd - 4s 2s
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Kd Ah 1040451 60.76 662863 38.71 8990 0.53 0.610
4s 2s 662863 38.71 1040451 60.76 8990 0.53 0.390


pokenum -h ah qs - 4s 2s
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qs Ah 1066661 62.29 635649 37.12 9994 0.58 0.626
4s 2s 635649 37.12 1066661 62.29 9994 0.58 0.374

pokenum -h as qs - 4s 2s
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Qs 1137685 66.44 563220 32.89 11399 0.67 0.668
4s 2s 563220 32.89 1137685 66.44 11399 0.67 0.332

Whatever... I don't call EP raise with this crap either, but I'm weak like that.

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i love stupid people

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Sure, you could play 42s to a raise profitably if you could see your opponent's cards, but you can't. Just because your hand will win 35% of the time doesn't mean you can play it profitably to a raise (or even to a limp). Most of the times 42s beats AK is when you flop a pair and AK doesn't. Are you going to take bottom pair to a showdown and get paid off?

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I agree with eder. Calling in this situation is fine.
From the op it seems the ep will have a hard time getting away from the hand and if you flop two pair vs. a big pair he will pay you with a very big pot for 2 way action. floping 2nd or 3rd pair is not what you are looking for. (though you can play that with a small +ev probably)
Trips, Two pair,Str,Flush is what you are calling the bet for. It also makes it harder for players to put you on a hand in the future. The player you want to be up against with the 42s is a TAA who is on the verge of tilt. Just my opinion [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Sure, you could play 42s to a raise profitably if you could see your opponent's cards, but you can't. Just because your hand will win 35% of the time doesn't mean you can play it profitably to a raise (or even to a limp). Most of the times 42s beats AK is when you flop a pair and AK doesn't. Are you going to take bottom pair to a showdown and get paid off?

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Dunno if you read my original post where I put the disclaimer "Play decent postflop" ... dont think you need to see opponents cards...you can put him on top 10% of hands...analyse the flop to see...oh never mind...not into typing...
My real point is that TAG's are usually too tight and too aggressive...knowing this can be used to advantage if you play crap in the BB against them and dont suck too much ...you either lose 1/2 bet or gain 3 or 4.

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Knowing that UTG is tilting and assuming that he's TAG I think that's a very defensible call from the BB.

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I agree with eder. Calling in this situation is fine.
From the op it seems the ep will have a hard time getting away from the hand and if you flop two pair vs. a big pair he will pay you with a very big pot for 2 way action. floping 2nd or 3rd pair is not what you are looking for. (though you can play that with a small +ev probably)
Trips, Two pair,Str,Flush is what you are calling the bet for. It also makes it harder for players to put you on a hand in the future. The player you want to be up against with the 42s is a TAA who is on the verge of tilt. Just my opinion [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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No, calling in this situation is horrible. You may as well say you'd call a raise from UTG with any two cards if it's folded to you in the BB.

What range do you put an UTG preflop raiser on, and how does your hand compare against that range? At best, you're only a 3:2 dog (unless you think he's raising with 53 or worse). At worst, you're a 4:1 dog, and that's if you get to see all five cards. The reverse implied odds on a hand like this are ridiculous. What is your plan if the flop comes Q72r?

The number of favorable flops you'll get with this hand are pretty slim. At best you can hope to flop 2 pair or better and hope UTG pays you off with a big pair he can't get away from. Any other draw you may flop will give you 35% percent equity at best, which will be an EV- situation when you're HU.

If there were quite a few cold-callers between you and UTG, this might be worth a call, but generally I'll never voluntarily put money into a pot with 4 high, even if it is soooooooted.

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I raise 42s here

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regardless, some [censored] goes down preflop and two players end up all in, AA vs. AJ
AJ says after the hand: Party Poker is so rigged (b/c the board came 4 flush and AA won.)
AA: yea i'm sure it is since you were such a favorite when the money went in.

this was like 200 or 400nl, these guys aren't supposed to be this retarded.

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Or my all time favorite when i missed a straight draw and bet out the river with 8-high and got called by Queen high, "Good bet, I almost folded"

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How big was the pot? His call and his comment may have both been correct.

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no i wouldn't call in this situation with any hand. for instance vs taa i would fold kx. 42s is a much better hand in this case as you will know where you stand after the flop. If the flop is say 842 rainbow you know you have the best hand vs a taa. you get away from the hand early or you have him killed. If taa has something like qq he will never be able to get away from the hand. Prolly some raising will be going on also. Note: 42s is better than many hands in this case.

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No, calling in this situation is horrible.

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Then what do you defend your blind with? A premium hand?

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If there were quite a few cold-callers between you and UTG, this might be worth a call, but generally I'll never voluntarily put money into a pot with 4 high, even if it is soooooooted.

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LMAO

I think you need to rethink your game. You elaborated wrongly well though.

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You elaborated wrongly well though.

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VNH

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No, trust me. This is an incredibly easy fold.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt though, and posted this situation to the Micro-limit forum. The consensus there is to fold, too.

Maybe you'll want to head over to that thread and defend your reasons for calling.

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I raise 42s here

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Raising is clearly superior to calling in this situation.

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No, trust me. This is an incredibly easy fold.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt though, and posted this situation to the Micro-limit forum. The consensus there is to fold, too.

Maybe you'll want to head over to that thread and defend your reasons for calling.

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Posting in Micros about blind defense is kind of like going to OOT for deep thinking.

I consider defending with 42s standard.

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No, calling in this situation is horrible.

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Then what do you defend your blind with? A premium hand?

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Clear this up for me. The pot is small, there's an UTG raiser (even if he IS on tilt). You have 4 high, sooted. Why bother playing here? Play tight in small pots, right?

Although if you're going to play, I do agree that raising is the correct play over calling.
If there were quite a few cold-callers between you and UTG, this might be worth a call, but generally I'll never voluntarily put money into a pot with 4 high, even if it is soooooooted.

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LMAO

I think you need to rethink your game. You elaborated wrongly well though.

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No, trust me. This is an incredibly easy fold.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt though, and posted this situation to the Micro-limit forum. The consensus there is to fold, too.

Maybe you'll want to head over to that thread and defend your reasons for calling.

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Posting in Micros about blind defense is kind of like going to OOT for deep thinking.

I consider defending with 42s standard.

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Haha....I second your opinion of most micro posts..."fold preflop, call 1 off if flop hits, fold to check raise on turn...dont bet the river you'll only get called if beat"

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Posting in Micros about blind defense is kind of like going to OOT for deep thinking.

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Are you actually trying to argue that UTG's preflop raise is a blind steal? This hand plays differently if it's button open-raising, but UTG? Seriously, even if he's tilting like mad, what hand range do you put him on?

Why are so many people eager to get in a hand out of position with an UTG raiser with the 2nd nut low? Why do most of the postflop strategies advocated here involve hoping to flop 2 pair? Have I seriously gone mad?

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Are you actually trying to argue that UTG's preflop raise is a blind steal?

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No. It's not steal defense, but it's still blind defense.

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This hand plays differently if it's button open-raising

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This, however, is ridiculous. Button's range would be much larger, making handreading harder and the chance of being dominated much greater. I'll play the hand against either, but it's much easier againt UTG.

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Have I seriously gone mad?

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No, but you might unless you admit that you are wrong. It's ok to be wrong.

In micro limits, this part of your game doesn't matter much at all because you are rarely if ever heads up.