Quick preflop decision
 

Button is extremely LAG preflop and has been opening a lot of hands in the three orbits or so that I've been here. He's like 80/50 preflop. He tried a button steal to 50 (5/10 blinds) against my SB a few hands ago and I made it 200 with AQ and he folded. He also opened AQ and called a shortstack (50 BB) that pushed over a caller.

Anyway, I have about 1350 and he has me covered. Folded to him in Button and he makes it 50 (standard open from what I can tell). Reraise or call? I don't know much about his postflop play, but most of these super-LAG guys play pretty much the same (holding on to hands way too long and betting too much).

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It depends

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esp. on what your hole cards are

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Oh cool; yeah. I have 88.

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Oh cool; yeah. I have 88.

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I don't know much about his postflop play, but most of these super-LAG guys play pretty much the same (holding on to hands way too long and betting too much).

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seems like an easy and routine call, i would hate to get blown off a chance to make a set and bust him.

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If you don't hit a set, are you check/folding most flops with Broadway cards?

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Oh, in that case, I don't know. I just wanted to be a smart ass :P

I would guess call, as a raise makes it way hard to play if called

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If you don't hit a set, are you check/folding most flops with Broadway cards?

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yes and no

sorry edge, but you should know, it all depends

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This is right out of a hand from the Ciaffone/Reuben book. They recommend you reraise preflop and bet I think 3/4 of the pot on the flop no matter what. When I get home, I will post the hand. This strategy has worked quite well for me with med. pairs OOP against a late pos. raise.

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Since he's a LAG reraise 200.
I would define hand now rather than later to make postflop play easier.
If he comes over the top, fold.
If he calls , I'd be afraid he has a monster and check or at most make a 1/3 pot size continuation bet on the flop if it isn't scarry.

Against a solid player, I'd call and try to flop a set.

Is this correct?

derick

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This is right out of a hand from the Ciaffone/Reuben book. They recommend you reraise preflop and bet I think 3/4 of the pot on the flop no matter what. When I get home, I will post the hand. This strategy has worked quite well for me with med. pairs OOP against a late pos. raise.

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the hand example was actually 99, but I thin kthis has actually been discussed before. a bunch of posters (including me) disagreed with the logic behind it, and in essence, the play they speak about works better w/o looking at your hand since the "beauty" of the play is that reraising a loose raiser -> betting big on the flop is +EV. It's just here with a small pair, potentially calling and stacking him off is >+EV.

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This is right out of a hand from the Ciaffone/Reuben book. They recommend you reraise preflop and bet I think 3/4 of the pot on the flop no matter what. When I get home, I will post the hand. This strategy has worked quite well for me with med. pairs OOP against a late pos. raise.

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the hand example was actually 99, but I thin kthis has actually been discussed before. a bunch of posters (including me) disagreed with the logic behind it, and in essence, the play they speak about works better w/o looking at your hand since the "beauty" of the play is that reraising a loose raiser -> betting big on the flop is +EV. It's just here with a small pair, potentially calling and stacking him off is >+EV.

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I'll have to look for that one - sounds like a good read. I've been having pretty good luck with getting them to fold on the flop so maybe I should do it a little more with any 2. Thanks.

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the hand example was actually 99, but I thin kthis has actually been discussed before. a bunch of posters (including me) disagreed with the logic behind it, and in essence, the play they speak about works better w/o looking at your hand since the "beauty" of the play is that reraising a loose raiser -> betting big on the flop is +EV. It's just here with a small pair, potentially calling and stacking him off is >+EV.

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My problem with calling is that 88 is a premium hand. I'm ahead of him more times than not, especially on the flop. I don't think I'd mind getting all-in on most flops.

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My problem with calling is that 88 is a premium hand.

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88 is a premium hand?

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I don't think I'd mind getting all-in on most flops.

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Really??

This is a joke post, right?

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the hand example was actually 99, but I thin kthis has actually been discussed before. a bunch of posters (including me) disagreed with the logic behind it, and in essence, the play they speak about works better w/o looking at your hand since the "beauty" of the play is that reraising a loose raiser -> betting big on the flop is +EV. It's just here with a small pair, potentially calling and stacking him off is >+EV.

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My problem with calling is that 88 is a premium hand. I'm ahead of him more times than not, especially on the flop. I don't think I'd mind getting all-in on most flops.

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then you sir have more gamble then me

more power to you

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My problem with calling is that 88 is a premium hand.

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88 is a premium hand?

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I don't think I'd mind getting all-in on most flops.

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Really??

This is a joke post, right?

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It's a button steal in a 6-max game from a guy who's opening pretty much anything. 88 is a monster compared to his range. If the flop came with only one overcard, I'd definitely go for it, and I may be able to convince myself to call a push preflop. Of course, I could just be a fish.

Anyway, 88 is a top ten hand, so I'd say premium. Maybe my definition is a bit different than others.

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If you don't hit a set, are you check/folding most flops with Broadway cards?

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hell no...

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If you don't hit a set, are you check/folding most flops with Broadway cards?

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hell no...

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i just realized i read this question wrong. i meant to say 'hell yes'.

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If you don't hit a set, are you check/folding most flops with Broadway cards?

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hell no...

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i just realized i read this question wrong. i meant to say 'hell yes'.

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Why?

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Hi edge,

My take on it is contained in this thread from a while back. In it, Bobbo actually has the same 88 vs. a constant raiser.

Dealing with a constant raiser

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In situations like these where I'm pretty sure I'm ahead preflop I'll call out of the blinds and checkraise the flop if I don't hit, because if I was ahead preflop I'm probably still ahead and I get his continuation bet.

There are few things more beautiful than calling a button raise from a lag out of the small blind with AJo, checkraising a q63 flop, and having the lag fold and show qj.

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Hi edge,

My take on it is contained in this thread from a while back. In it, Bobbo actually has the same 88 vs. a constant raiser.

Dealing with a constant raiser

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Link no worky for me

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I reraise here preflop nearly always.

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If you don't hit a set, are you check/folding most flops with Broadway cards?

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hell no...

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i just realized i read this question wrong. i meant to say 'hell yes'.

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