Home Game Rand Ruling Question
 

In a 6 handed game the other night with all 6 people still in, I went all in before the flop. I had a king/deuece of clubs. 2 People called.
The flop was 2 clubs and an irrelevant card. The other 2 people checked.
The turn was a King, both checked again.
The river was a 3rd club on the board. One person bet, the other folded.
So I said what do you have? The guy who bet said, I've got Kings. I then said I've got Kings... I paused, but I've also got a deuce of clubs. Showing the King high club flush.
The guy who lost the hand then got mad because I didn't call the flush immediately. He thought he had split the pot.
He had thought that the pot should be split, because I said I had Kings, so therefore I have Kings. And not a flush.
I was always under the impression that the cards speak for themselves.
Granted, it could be viewed partly as a dick move on my part for not saying I had the flush right away. However, you can't exactly ignore the cards.

Can I get some feedback on this?

I mean, in a casino a dealer is having you place your cards on the table and then the best hand showing wins.

Could this be simply a house rule people use?

Any feedback is great.

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Unless there's a house rule about "declare your hand" then cards should speak.

You're a donk for slowrolling [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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You're a donk for slowrolling [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Yeah I know... but I knew he had a king after he bet it [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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So I said what do you have?

The guy who lost the hand then got mad because I didn't call the flush immediately. He thought he had split the pot.
He had thought that the pot should be split, because I said I had Kings, so therefore I have Kings. And not a flush.

Granted, it could be viewed partly as a dick move on my part

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"partly"? No, it was definately a dick move, especially after you slow rolled before then with the "what do you have?" bullshit comment.

But he is wrong- it is cards-speak, no matter what you said.

However, don't pull that crap again- it's childish and stupid- that kind of move can only be pulled to punish habitual slow-rolling dicks.

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Granted, it could be viewed partly as a dick move on my part for not saying I had the flush right away. However, you can't exactly ignore the cards.


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The problem is that others can't ignore your dick move if you announced "kings" while knowing that you had the flush.

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The problem is that others can't ignore your dick move if you announced "kings" while knowing that you had the flush.

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The question though is who wins.

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You win the hand but are also an [censored] who should not be invited back to the game.

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I was always under the impression that the cards speak for themselves.
Granted, it could be viewed partly as a dick move on my part for not saying I had the flush right away. However, you can't exactly ignore the cards.

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You want feedback? Here is some feedback.

Yes it was a dick move, and I was always under the impression that making a dick move in a friendly home game is a great way to prevent getting invited back. If this happened at my game, I would give you the pot, and then kick you in the nuts. Then I would proceed to "not exactly" hear you whining like a girl.

If you are looking for approval, you will not find it here. Slowrolling is for asses.

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Why were you all in with K2 suited? Secondly, as the host, I we play modified declaire. If its an obvious hand, i.e two pair with one on the board, there is little debate. But if you call kings and you have a flush, you have the kings. Its a eay to have people learn their hands and to call them. In my juristiction, you lose. (Since he obviously had to have a better kicker)

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Slowrolling is for asses.

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Yes. Cards speak.

Yes. That was a dick move.

Yes. If you slowrolled me I'd consider beating your ass.

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Are you friends with the people involved? If so, then people are giving you WAY too much grief for slowrolling.

Anyway, default house rule is that cards speak.

-McGee

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good news: you win the hand.

bad news: you're a slowrolling prick.

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Are you friends with the people involved? If so, then people are giving you WAY too much grief for slowrolling.

Anyway, default house rule is that cards speak.

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Yeah we're all friends. It's a [censored] home game. Hence me posting in the home game forum. I got them all started playing, I drove people out to Brooklyn from Jersey and some of us work together. We get together once a month, play some cards, have some drinks and have a good time.

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Hes just playing with friends. I [censored] w/ my friends all the time when we play. Cards speak for themselves.

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Why were you all in with K2 suited? Secondly, as the host, I we play modified declaire. If its an obvious hand, i.e two pair with one on the board, there is little debate. But if you call kings and you have a flush, you have the kings. Its a eay to have people learn their hands and to call them. In my juristiction, you lose. (Since he obviously had to have a better kicker)

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It doesn't sound like the man declaired his kicker, so how could it count as better?

I actually don't like your rule, this kind of thing happens all the time: One guy turns over j-8 and says I have two pair, the other guy turns over k-q and says, crap, I just have a pair of Kings. But then somebody points out that the board pairs twos and the Kings take it. This kind of thing happens frequently enough even with guys who know their hands pretty well, that it would really be game changing if the cards didn't speak.

Another one you see misdeclared a lot is the one card flush or the one card straight.

--Zetack

edit: and yes I see your thing about one pair on the board and "obviousness" but I fail to see how a flush isn't just as obvious as two pair. Sounds kind of like, a declare counts over the cards whenever we want to start an argument rule.

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"I we play modified declaire. If its an obvious hand, i.e two pair with one on the board, there is little debate. But if you call kings and you have a flush, you have the kings. Its a eay to have people learn their hands and to call them. In my juristiction, you lose"

I also think this is a bad idea. Cards speak lets the cards determine the winner, not angle shooters or sleepy people. People misdeclaring their hands intentionally, or constantly slow-rolling, can be dealt with in other ways.