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36/18/2 raises in co. i call in bb with q10h.

flop is q66. i check and call.

turn is 5 and goes check, check.

river is 4 and i misclick check.....

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You have to either bet or checkraise this flop, and bet the turn.

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i think i'd c/r the flop and lead the turn

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You have to either bet or checkraise this flop, and bet the turn.

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ummm....sorry, i must ask why?

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I would have probably check raised the flop.
That said, I'm really starting to like the river check against a fairly aggro villain. Maybe I should add that to my game.

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whywhywhywhy

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Obviously there are other ways to get to the river, but given that you just ambled there, the misclick check is -EV. By betting, he has a tough choice with all his Ace high hands that will happily check behind. This is especially true if the flop was two tone.

If he bets, easy raise and watch him call out of utter confusion. But I don't think many hands bet here.

ZZZ

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I don't like it.

You miss a probable call from Aces.

Let's say aces comprise 1/3 of CO open raising hands.

If we assume
1) He will call with A-high (resonable)
2) He won't bet A-high if you check (resonable for most opponents)
3) He won't call with hands that are not A-high (not far from resonable)

then he needs to bluff bet 50% of the time he doesn't have A-high for your play to be good.

Since I think the four assumptions have been more biased towards checking than is correct, I think the real percentage he needs to bluff is more like 60%+

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dont you think his likelihood of having an ace is reduced by the turn check on a super raggedy board.

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You have to either bet or checkraise this flop, and bet the turn.

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ummm....sorry, i must ask why?

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There are too many overcards that can hurt your hand.

Also, you are most likely ahead and missing bets from hands like AK, 88, etc. that will call you all the way to the river.

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I think you should c/r this flop with a lot of hands. Not just ones you hit. Villain's CO opening range is huge, and this flop missed him lots. It is also an easy flop for him to get away from if he holds a weak A or K.

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what i do on the flop depends on how i think this guy thinks i'll react to him. if i've been cring a lot of flops against him, he thinks i might make a move here and might play back at me, then i cr the flop. if i've been doing more check/calling against him then i'd call and cr the turn (i assume that was your plan?) as a chronic flop checkraiser personally i'd checkraise.

after thinking about it some, i think i like the river checkraise given how the hand played out. those are some aggro stats, and if this guy has a hand with any showdown value he's likely betting the turn. so i think he's more likely to stab at this on the river than he is to call a bet.

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I think that you should just check-raise the flop and bet the turn. If you are an aggressive player you might get a suspicion call down from ace high since they will assume you are bluffing at the 6s.

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dont you think his likelihood of having an ace is reduced by the turn check on a super raggedy board.

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people seem to be missing that. i'm pretty sure this guy is betting his ace highs on the turn. an actual read beyond just the stats would be helpful, because he really could be capable of checking behind planning on calling the river, but i don't expect it.

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dont you think his likelihood of having an ace is reduced by the turn check on a super raggedy board.

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Yeah, you're right about that. I didn't consider that at all. Now I don't know.

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people seem to be missing that. i'm pretty sure this guy is betting his ace highs on the turn

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Even if he will bet a high on the turn that doesnt make a turn cr necessarly the best play. Many players will call down with A-High if check raised on this flop, but will fold to the turn CR.

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i was saying that to support the river play. i'd cr the flop, but if i had been check-calling a lot against this guy i'd start mixing that up by check-calling the flop with stronger hands too. i just meant that i don't think victor should bet the river expecting an ace high call because if the villain had ace high he'd probably bet the turn.

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i'm pretty sure this guy is betting his ace highs on the turn.

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Do you guys bet with Ace high here against an aggressive opponent?

Villain's line doesn't look bad at all with Ace high against an opponent who will frequently bluff the river, does it?

Thanks,
Cartman

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i usually cr the flop all day. heres what happens: villain calls the cr and folds the turn unimproved.

so i wanted to try something different and was gonna cr the turn. that way i get an extra half bet when he folds the turn to the cr.

he foiled my plans by checking behind. now, on the riv his range is huge. if i bet he is folding all but pairs and ace high. hands that he likely would have bet on the turn. so checking the riv seems to induce a bluff. or maybe he is value betting lower pairs or a4/5.

anyways, i checkraised the river and he called with 99. strange hand.

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his line would be fine with ace high. i think i'm just overestimating how aggressive a 36/18/2 is. it's certainly more aggro than i am, but i guess it's not by that much.

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i bet ahigh often on the turn against opps who i dont think will cr bluff.

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i usually cr the flop all day. heres what happens: villain calls the cr and folds the turn unimproved.

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Another way to exploit this is to take some stabs at flops like this with your hands that miss especially something like 87s on this flop where you have some backdoor potential. I tend to think most people are somewhat exploitable in not recognizing bluff inviting boards and the adjustments they should make in calling raises on them.

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dont you think his likelihood of having an ace is reduced by the turn check on a super raggedy board.

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people seem to be missing that. i'm pretty sure this guy is betting his ace highs on the turn. an actual read beyond just the stats would be helpful, because he really could be capable of checking behind planning on calling the river, but i don't expect it.

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I check this turn with an ace on a somewhat regular basis at 10/20. There are many players who will smooth call this flop and c/r the turn knowing that an A-high will likely have to fold, and I really would like to get to showdown on such a ragged board, even at the sacrifice of giving a free card to a 5-outer. If he's a smart player (which is hard to represent with just the stats, but certainly seems more likely for a 30/15ish type), then I think his turn check can mean a majority of hands including an A that wants to go to showdown.

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I think the board is too naked to check twice as it makes it pretty easy for him to gain or save bets.

I´ll mix between bet out, check-raise or check-call, bet turn.

The way you played I think check-raising the river is fine as he may not call A-high anyway and will probably bet if he checked a medium pair behind on the turn.