What hands to open first in from CO and hijack?
 

Hi!
What's your hand ranges to open from CO and Hijack when the players after you are normal TAGs or average loose players that is not overly aggressive?

If u have a TAG that steals around 35% what is your hand range to raise him on Button if he opens in CO?

If u r in SB and a 35% stealer opens on Button what range do u 3Bet him with there?

I think I am way too tight when it comes to 3Betting when players open in steal positions.

thx guys

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Here's a good thread on this

http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/...t=all&vc=1

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Just be aware Nate's simulation used a 2/3 blind structure.

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Typically your throwing away multiway hands. I personally will raise any Ace, K9 or better, any two cards 10 or higher, any PP 5 or higher, though, raising with any PP isn't bad. Its not bad to throw in a trash hand once in a while, esp if you get a good flop and get to show it down. You want people itching to playback at you with marginal hands. In the SB, if your hand is good enough to see the flop, you should 3 bet against a steal. Giving the BB 5-1 on his call is just a plain mistake and it'll make it right for him to see it with a wide variety of hands. If he's stealing that much, Probably 3 betting KT or better.

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noob question: what position is hijack?

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hijack is the position before CO

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I personally will raise any Ace, K9 or better, any two cards 10 or higher, any PP 5 or higher, though, raising with any PP isn't bad.

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If this is your stealing range (as opposed to your defending range) I think you're too tight. What games are you playing? How selective are you (not just in game selection but also relative position)?

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I would be interested to know the range of hands that you open raise in the CO, vs. typical (not too aggresive) blinds?

I raise a similar range to Mtdoak.

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If this is your stealing range (as opposed to your defending range) I think you're too tight. What games are you playing? How selective are you (not just in game selection but also relative position)?

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Really? I thought this range looked good.

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I have thought some about this and this is what I came up with. Please tell me what I might have to change.

The opponnet is an aggressive TAG that steals 35%.
45% from Button and like 25% from CO.

I 3bet on Button with 77+,AJ+,ATs+,KQ+ against a CO raise
I 3bet in SB with 66+,AT+,A9s+,KJ+,KTs+,QJs against a Button raise

does this seem about right?

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I think that is his range from CO and not from Button.
It isn't really clear in his post.

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Here's a link.

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I 3bet on Button with 77+,AJ+,ATs+,KQ+ against a CO raise
I 3bet in SB with 66+,AT+,A9s+,KJ+,KTs+,QJs against a Button raise

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I think those should be reversed. I'd have a wider 3-bet range on the button with position vs. being OOP for the rest of the hand in the SB.

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Here's a link.

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Thanks for the link. Wow.

What's your attempt to steal % (I guess ~50%).

Mack

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What's your attempt to steal % (I guess ~50%).

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I think it's somewhere between 40-45% right now. Realize that the range I posted there is cumulative. It narrows against loose opponents and widens against tight opponents. The real range against an "average" player doesn't include a lot of the weaker hands I posted in that thread.

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You my friend are a blind stealing machine. Teach me.

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Hey guys anyone post that EVAN BLIND STEAL LINK yet. [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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Hey guys anyone post that EVAN BLIND STEAL LINK yet. [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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Good link... it was that post that encouraged me to start stealing as much as I am.

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Okay.
I guess position is worth so much more than the fact
that a stealer is 45% from Button and 25 from CO or something like that.

That's good advice.

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I knew I could count on you.

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Hey guys anyone post that EVAN BLIND STEAL LINK yet. [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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Good link... it was that post that encouraged me to start stealing as much as I am.

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same for me. i'm definitely in the 40-45 range now and love it. makes the game so much more fun. i feel like such a theif and I get to play some real poker in blind stealing matches (though I need to work on my showdowns from these as Evan has already pointed out to me a couple times now)