Does anyone else in a touney look down at KK and QQ and think \"Oh No?\"
 

I know in MTT's I should be delighted to see these hands, but I don't seem to have much luck with them. If I push pre flop the ace always seems to come, and if I try to slow play and just call from EP i get about 6 callers behind me.

Re: Does anyone else in a touney look down at KK and QQ and think \"Oh No?\"
 

No.

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F YA! is more like my normal reaction. Though with QQ I accept on some level that this is a hand that may very well bust me, though more than likley it will increase my stack size.

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Re: Does anyone else in a touney look down at KK and QQ and think \"Oh No?\"
 

Nope, but I do with 72. Tough hand to get away from.

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i think that sometimes if i get lucky to barely make it late into a tournament. And more often with 99-jj. Especially when a lag chip monster bets. Happened last night in the pacific 30k garenteed. First time making this final table as an average stack. I had made 2 raises pf and either had to fold preflop or on the flop so i was fairly low in chips. A big stack that had gone all in 4 times in a row with small pairs and connectors. only raised this time - not a push in late position. I'm on the button with 99 and know im beat since he didn't push like normal. But i prayed for AK and tossed my chips in, he flipped over QQ. I left 2 spots away from my goal - top 5 =).

I'm always happy to have QQ and KK. However, late in a tournament jj-99(maybe 88-77) seem to break me often.

Re: Does anyone else in a touney look down at KK and QQ and think \"Oh
 

I'm not fond of any large pocket pairs late in a tournament. In the last six large tournaments that I've played in, I've busted out or lost a majority of my chips because some donk sucked out on my pair with undercards or a lower pair. My favorite tournament hands are strong aces (AK, AQs).

Re: Does anyone else in a touney look down at KK and QQ and think \"Oh
 

Yeah I do, but only in the sense of "oh boy, here comes a chance to really misplay a hand, lets not try to F this one up too much". I mean this in the sense that it's a lot easier to post and fold, than actualy have to make a play. It's a lot easier to play a PP that turns into a set on the flop on a rainbow board, than it is KK or even AA. So when I'm thinking "oh no", I generally mean in mid/late stages of a tourney and

1. Am afraid of being married to a hand, like AK, that I could/should lay down in a situation.

2. Am somewhat afraid of being in a preflop situation where "I can tell he has aces here, but I have to push with QQ".

Re: Does anyone else in a touney look down at KK and QQ and think \"Oh
 

everyone who says they dont like their big pocket pairs, give em to me

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Nope, but I do with 72. Tough hand to get away from.

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nh

Re: Does anyone else in a touney look down at KK and QQ and think \"Oh No?\"
 

Not "Oh, no" precisely, but I recognize that the chances are good that a lot of my chips are going into the middle before the hand is done, and when that happens I either chip-up or bust out. That's poker.

On a related note, if you never limped in EP with KK or QQ, it would not be a mistake.

Best,

Sam

Re: Does anyone else in a touney look down at KK and QQ and think \"Oh
 

I'll take it... although KK is abundantly stronger than QQ, I like both, just don't get too fancy with them, and be if the ace comes on the flop, maybe you should abort mission, no shame in folding

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small sample size

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I hate to say this but KK and QQ scare you then maybe tourney play is not for you, or even poker as a whole. I hate to blunt, but its the truth.

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Does anyone else in a touney look down at KK and QQ and think "Oh No?"

[/ QUOTE ] yes. And I get very angry that I'm not getting any cards.

Re: Does anyone else in a touney look down at KK and QQ and think \"Oh
 

wasnt there a thread like this a month ago too?

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wasnt there a thread like this a month ago too?

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theres a thead like every thread every month.

The past few times I've gotten KK Ive ran into AA, it just happens and theres noway you can fold it unless you have a damn good read and deep stacks.

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I had a tournament earlier this week where I had KK 6 times in between the 1500 starting people to my 29th finish... I only won one of the hands, and it was the only one where someone didn't end up all in. But at the same time, KK has won so many hands for me in relation to how much other hands have won, you can't NOT be happy about it. I agree with dave when he says that all your chips will probably be on the line unless an ace falls... but that's poker.

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I know in MTT's I should be delighted to see these hands, but I don't seem to have much luck with them. If I push pre flop the ace always seems to come, and if I try to slow play and just call from EP i get about 6 callers behind me.

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I have a paraliminal tape for improving success in competition and acheiving goals. It has helped me woth poker tournaments and I might lend it to you. It seems like you need a more positive attitude.

Re: Does anyone else in a touney look down at KK and QQ and think \"Oh No?\"
 

I know what you're saying, I bust out with QQ more than any other hand. But I also acquire lots of chips with those hands too. If you're playing well you're going to bust with a good hand rather than a bad one, and it sticks in your memory a lot more than the times it held up.